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Taking insulin etc on eurostar

Jade-1990

Member
Hi,
I’m travelling by Eurostar in a couple of weeks and have only just started panicking about whether I need a letter or anything from the gp. I haven’t been abroad since being diagnosed nearly 4 years ago and have just thought of it like a normal train, completely ignoring the security checks and stuff as it’s going abroad. ‍♀️ And now I’m having a slight panic about it, if anyone has used the Eurostar or just has any advice about travelling abroad it’ll be much appreciated.
Thank you
 
I travel a lot. I've carried a GP letter but never have been asked for it. They are used to seeing insulin cartridges, injections and glucose monitors in hand luggage scans and I've never had any comments. They have wanted to scan my Libre sensor for explosives and had to lift a dress over my head once to access it in a side room. Lessoned learned to wear clothing that would allow them to access it.
 
Hi,

I've been through airport security with insulin in a Frio wallet? If that don't look dodgy in an X-ray I don't know what isn't.
They tend to spot check with anything wired & with a battery attached by my experience.
The wallet padded with wet gell keeping cartriges cool. & the pens & spare supplies. Even the meter. (Which on reflection forgot to remove the batteries.) They've never batted an eyelid.
Apart from when I was traveling with a band & questioned once at an airport on a guitar pedal in the hand luggage. (Yeah, forgot to remove the battery.) That was swabbed for explosives.

Now I have done the tunnel driving in the past. No real issue.

Have a lovely trip.
 
I have travelled hundreds of times. I always carry a letter with me and it has been requested a few times.
Although the request is rare, I prefer to carry it rather than risk someone not allowing me to travel.
 
Thanks everyone, I don’t know why I never thought about it before but I think I’ve left a lot until the last minute in case the trip got cancelled like last year and now it’s coming around quickly
 
Thanks everyone, I don’t know why I never thought about it before but I think I’ve left a lot until the last minute in case the trip got cancelled like last year and now it’s coming around quickly

I'm pretty certain you will be dealing with security officials that have seen the lot.. So panic ye not. :)

You can always carry your paper repeat perscription or if you have a "systems online" style app or account set up at your surgery set up. That may well suffice.? I order online but still get the paper script for the next order in the bag... ;)

Lol, when I was touring with a band. The concern was more not looking like a potential elicit "drug mule" than anything else..
 
The insulin cannot pass on the security tunnels ( ionisation radiation / X-ray) as the radiation will degradate the efficiency of the insulin.

Here you have the information of novordisk

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: <[email protected]>
Date:
Subject: RE: Estado de degradación de la insulina de Tresiba
Cc: Novo Nordisk-Call Center INFONOVO <[email protected]>

Buenos días,

Le escribimos en relación con una consulta sobre datos de estabilidad que solicita, Novo Nordisk no tiene estudios específicos de la degradación de Tresiba por su exposición a radiación gamma/rayos X.

Sentimos comunicarle que, de hecho, no se han realizado estudios en los que los productos de NN hayan sido expuestos a máquinas de rayos X, por lo tanto, no sabemos si los rayos X pueden afectar al producto. Por este motivo, le indicamos que evite que el producto sea expuesto al escáner.

Sobre la exposición específica a los rayos X del aeropuerto de las insulinas: Los niveles de radiación en los puntos de control de seguridad no son los mismos en todos los aeropuertos y también cambian con frecuencia según el "nivel de seguridad". Normalmente, los rayos-X que se utilizan para registrar el equipaje de mano no dañarán la insulina. Sin embargo, si el equipaje permanece expuesto a rayos X durante más tiempo de lo normal o si el equipaje se expone a rayos X de manera repetida, la insulina puede perder potencia.

Por ello, mientras viaja se recomienda que lleve su insulina en la mano en los puntos de control de seguridad del aeropuerto y se advierte que soliciten una inspección manual de su insulina.

Por todo lo anterior, nuestra recomendación es que no exponga su insulina a radiación X si el paciente pretende administrarse después el producto, ya que no sabemos cómo puede afectar esta exposición a la seguridad y eficacia del producto en humanos.

Muchas gracias.

Un saludo,

Meisys prestando servicios para Novo Nordisk Pharma S.A."
 
Le escribimos en relación con una consulta sobre datos de estabilidad que solicita, Novo Nordisk no tiene estudios específicos de la degradación de Tresiba por su exposición a radiación gamma/rayos X.

Sentimos comunicarle que, de hecho, no se han realizado estudios en los que los productos de NN hayan sido expuestos a máquinas de rayos X, por lo tanto, no sabemos si los rayos X pueden afectar al producto. Por este motivo, le indicamos que evite que el producto sea expuesto al escáner.

Sobre la exposición específica a los rayos X del aeropuerto de las insulinas: Los niveles de radiación en los puntos de control de seguridad no son los mismos en todos los aeropuertos y también cambian con frecuencia según el "nivel de seguridad". Normalmente, los rayos-X que se utilizan para registrar el equipaje de mano no dañarán la insulina. Sin embargo, si el equipaje permanece expuesto a rayos X durante más tiempo de lo normal o si el equipaje se expone a rayos X de manera repetida, la insulina puede perder potencia.

Por ello, mientras viaja se recomienda que lleve su insulina en la mano en los puntos de control de seguridad del aeropuerto y se advierte que soliciten una inspección manual de su insulina.

Por todo lo anterior, nuestra recomendación es que no exponga su insulina a radiación X si el paciente pretende administrarse después el producto, ya que no sabemos cómo puede afectar esta exposición a la seguridad y eficacia del producto en humanos.

Muchas gracias.
I do not know what question you asked to get this answer.
This is the translation that Google provided (apologies if it is not accurate but I do not speak Spanish and, as you have noticed, the usual language on the forum is English).

We are writing to you in relation to a query regarding stability data that you request, Novo Nordisk does not have specific studies of the degradation of Tresiba due to its exposure to gamma radiation/x-rays.

We are sorry to inform you that, in fact, there have been no studies where NN products have been exposed to X-ray machines, therefore we do not know if X-rays can affect the product. For this reason, we advise you to avoid exposing the product to the scanner.

Regarding insulins' specific airport X-ray exposure: Radiation levels at security checkpoints are not the same at all airports and also change frequently depending on the "security level." Normally, the X-rays used to check carry-on luggage will not harm insulin. However, if the luggage is exposed to X-rays for longer than normal or if the luggage is exposed to X-rays repeatedly, the insulin may lose potency.

Therefore, while traveling it is recommended that you carry your insulin in your hand at airport security checkpoints and are advised to request a manual inspection of your insulin.

For all of the above, our recommendation is that you do not expose your insulin to X-radiation if the patient intends to administer the product later, since we do not know how this exposure may affect the safety and effectiveness of the product in humans.

Thank you so much

The way I read this, there is nothing that says you cannot take insulin through security x-rays. It says, they have performed no testing. However, as the rest of this thread says, many of us have done so many times with no issues.
Feel free to take the insulin in your hand if you feel it is necessary but I have never had the need to do so.
 
This is the translation that Google provided (apologies if it is not accurate but I do not speak Spanish and, as you have noticed, the usual language on the forum is English).

The e-mail is the official answer of the laboratory novordish, therefore in order to avoid any kind of miss interpretation I leave it as it is. By other hand we'll done by using the translation that was the goal.

The way I read this, there is nothing that says you cannot take insulin through security x-rays. It says, they have performed no testing. However, as the rest of this thread says, many of us have done so many times with no issues.

I usually say to everyone one phrase "ignorance is a blessing" like "ignorance is happiness", what really this means on this case?


The ionisation radiation (X-ray or gamma) is used to perform sterilisation therefore it destroy's the cells, on this case let's threat the insulin as a cell. Nonetheless it isn't but you have a further explanation on the link:


Only based on the previous knowledge you already have enough knowledge to raise the reasonable doubt in your head to not pass insulin in the security tunnels.

It says, they have performed no testing.
Exactly, do you know why? Because no one wants to open a can of worms! If this is made much of the marketing information, that is a lye, is gone be put on the bin! Example, does glargine (lantus) have an effect of 24 hours? Or really it is only 18 to 20 hours of action. Etc in order types of insulin.

Also why the insulin doesn't have any kind of test in order to test if the efficiency is still good? Because financially speaking, it doesn't make sense! Therefore no one wants to create the reasonable doubt to question the golden chicken!


However, as the rest of this thread says, many of us have done so many times with no issues.

You mean that you don't know or have evidence that the insulin suffers degradation of efficiency! By start, the diabetes is a deasese that sucks, is not linear, as it has plenty of variables in order to the insulin to make effect, therefore your answer/assumption is the same as everyone and is not valid, but I do not follow that kind of rationality.
It like, if everyone jumps from the bridge, I need to follow them! No!
Based in what you saw before, you already have enough knowledge to say that really passing insulin by ionisation radiation it'll degradate the insulin and by that way do not put ir on security tunnels of ionisation radiation. This is exactly the same of exposing the insulin to high temperatures and then saying that you didn't feel differences on the effect of the insulin.
Feel free to take the insulin in your hand if you feel it is necessary but I have never had the need to do so.
I fight for my rights and due to that sometimes I struggle with difficulties on life, and one of plenty, is the ignorance of the security agent's of the security tunnels of airports, that give me the phrase exactly as yours, "everyone passes it without problem".

The European law allows you to pass it by secondary by your petition and therefore verified without ionisation radiation.
The law allows your several types of checks, but the ordinary people do not know it!

I hope that everybody start to perform like me in order to educate the security agent's and stop to trump our rights.

By the way, in the airports where I travel, all the security agent's already know me and specifically avoid me!
 
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