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Thank you Roy Taylor!

Saltyseas

Saltyseas

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Type of diabetes
I reversed my Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
I just say THANK YOU to everyone who has supported the idea that YOU CAN REVERSE YOUR TYPE 2 DIABETES.

I have been a type 2 in denial for the last 5 years slowly adding to my diabetes medication and creeping up the weight, and HBA1C readings to well over 9, when a friend told me about Roy Taylor and I happened to stumble across this Diabetes.co.uk website earlier this year. I read as much as I could - particularly the day to day blogs.

And now after completing 2 'Newcastle style' diets and also reading the very supportive and very helpful information and fantastic links to Jason Fung on this website from a number of very helpful and knowledgeable contributors I have just had my test results :

I am off ALL medication, from before when I was on 2000 metformin, lyxanacide and 5mg Ramapril per day.

HBA1c now down to 5.1% (I nearly fell off the chair!)
OGTT initially 5.0 AND AFTER 2 HOURS only 6.9!!
I have lost over 5 stone since the early summer now BMI just above 25!
My GP who hadn't heard of the Newcastle diet actually shook my hand and could not believe how much weight I'd lost or the HBA1c and OGTT results. And has asked me to retest my HBA1c in 3 months time just to be sure (and to test lipids as he wasn't happy with the LCHF diet I'm on now!! they still can't understand how fats can actually be good for you - and it's the carbs/sugar thats the killer!).

I'm actually very surprised I passed the OGTT as I was very worried I wouldn't, and I know myself that if I eat a slice of cake my BGs go above 10 and stay high for at least 3-4 hours - oh well, I suppose I can cope with disgusting lucazade but not delicious chocolate cake!! Shame, I was really hoping I might be be to indulge a little over christmas.

Best wishes everyone!!
 
well done getting to BMI 25, you musy be very proud of what you have done with your BG. I think you are doing the right thing to continue with the LCHF. I find carb creap a problem for me and something to watch out for. The old 'just one wont hurt' will get you every time :)
 
Excellent results.
Low calorie, and rapid weight loss does seem to have a specific result.

It's a bit confusing about the lucazade and the cake, in theory the lucazade should be the worst case.
Do you self test?

Either way, eat sensibly, and enjoy christmas.
So long as you keep watching the weight, you should stay ok. :)
 
Saltyseas said:
I just say THANK YOU to everyone who has supported the idea that YOU CAN REVERSE YOUR TYPE 2 DIABETES.

I have been a type 2 in denial for the last 5 years slowly adding to my diabetes medication and creeping up the weight, and HBA1C readings to well over 9, when a friend told me about Roy Taylor and I happened to stumble across this Diabetes.co.uk website earlier this year. I read as much as I could - particularly the day to day blogs.

And now after completing 2 'Newcastle style' diets and also reading the very supportive and very helpful information and fantastic links to Jason Fung on this website from a number of very helpful and knowledgeable contributors I have just had my test results :

I am off ALL medication, from before when I was on 2000 metformin, lyxanacide and 5mg Ramapril per day.

HBA1c now down to 5.1% (I nearly fell off the chair!)
OGTT initially 5.0 AND AFTER 2 HOURS only 6.9!!
I have lost over 5 stone since the early summer now BMI just above 25!
My GP who hadn't heard of the Newcastle diet actually shook my hand and could not believe how much weight I'd lost or the HBA1c and OGTT results. And has asked me to retest my HBA1c in 3 months time just to be sure (and to test lipids as he wasn't happy with the LCHF diet I'm on now!! they still can't understand how fats can actually be good for you - and it's the carbs/sugar thats the killer!).

I'm actually very surprised I passed the OGTT as I was very worried I wouldn't, and I know myself that if I eat a slice of cake my BGs go above 10 and stay high for at least 3-4 hours - oh well, I suppose I can cope with disgusting lucazade but not delicious chocolate cake!! Shame, I was really hoping I might be be to indulge a little over christmas.

Best wishes everyone!!
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If your cake contains a lot of fat ( like cream, or cheesecake, as simple examples), or the chocolate is a ganache, you may find the fat extends your increase, whereas the Lucozade is such a simple, fast acting hit of sugar.

But, extremely well done on those results. You should be extremely proud. I bet you feel like walking on air.
 
Saltyseas said:
I just say THANK YOU to everyone who has supported the idea that YOU CAN REVERSE YOUR TYPE 2 DIABETES.

I have been a type 2 in denial for the last 5 years slowly adding to my diabetes medication and creeping up the weight, and HBA1C readings to well over 9, when a friend told me about Roy Taylor and I happened to stumble across this Diabetes.co.uk website earlier this year. I read as much as I could - particularly the day to day blogs.

And now after completing 2 'Newcastle style' diets and also reading the very supportive and very helpful information and fantastic links to Jason Fung on this website from a number of very helpful and knowledgeable contributors I have just had my test results :

I am off ALL medication, from before when I was on 2000 metformin, lyxanacide and 5mg Ramapril per day.

HBA1c now down to 5.1% (I nearly fell off the chair!)
OGTT initially 5.0 AND AFTER 2 HOURS only 6.9!!
I have lost over 5 stone since the early summer now BMI just above 25!
My GP who hadn't heard of the Newcastle diet actually shook my hand and could not believe how much weight I'd lost or the HBA1c and OGTT results. And has asked me to retest my HBA1c in 3 months time just to be sure (and to test lipids as he wasn't happy with the LCHF diet I'm on now!! they still can't understand how fats can actually be good for you - and it's the carbs/sugar thats the killer!).

I'm actually very surprised I passed the OGTT as I was very worried I wouldn't, and I know myself that if I eat a slice of cake my BGs go above 10 and stay high for at least 3-4 hours - oh well, I suppose I can cope with disgusting lucazade but not delicious chocolate cake!! Shame, I was really hoping I might be be to indulge a little over christmas.

Best wishes everyone!!
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That's amazing. Well done!!
 
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... go back down after a cup of tea to 4's and 5's only after an hour after FBGS in 7's! I'm a bit confused about introducing carbs as I think we are all so different. I don't seem to spike much with neat sugar but do very badly with wheat based carbs - but maybe I tested too late for the sudden peak after sugar??

I do still have a 'belly' and would love to get rid of this as this might be the key to be able to eating a few starchy wheat based carbs in the future (wondering if my PFT is at a slightly lower BMI and the belly fat is still an indication of fatty pancreas/liver?).

I was most put out by the GP getting quite concerned about the HF part of my new way of eating. He initially suggested me seeing the nutritionist (I saw her 5 years ago and was given the food pyramid and from my GPs understanding of carbs/fats I don't think the NHS advice has changed much).

I came off the metformin slowly (although my GP advised me to stay on this - as there are apparently health benefits). And used IF to ensure my FBGs stayed low while my body got used to being drug free. The Forums have been a fantastic mine of information - as well as great company when you are feeling like you're on your own. So I'm just going to stick with the LCHF regeim and see how my cholesterol is in a couple of months.

Thanks again guys.

I'll try out the chocky ganache cheesecake suggestion - sounds perfect for Xmas pud! especially as my kids hate cheesecake - so all the more for me...
 
Very well done; what a result. I am a "thin" T2 so no fat to lose bur like you I am quite carb intolerant. Hate having to watch everyone else eating all the things I love and can't eat!
 
Saltyseas said:
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... go back down after a cup of tea to 4's and 5's only after an hour after FBGS in 7's! I'm a bit confused about introducing carbs as I think we are all so different. I don't seem to spike much with neat sugar but do very badly with wheat based carbs - but maybe I tested too late for the sudden peak after sugar??

I do still have a 'belly' and would love to get rid of this as this might be the key to be able to eating a few starchy wheat based carbs in the future (wondering if my PFT is at a slightly lower BMI and the belly fat is still an indication of fatty pancreas/liver?).

I was most put out by the GP getting quite concerned about the HF part of my new way of eating. He initially suggested me seeing the nutritionist (I saw her 5 years ago and was given the food pyramid and from my GPs understanding of carbs/fats I don't think the NHS advice has changed much).

I came off the metformin slowly (although my GP advised me to stay on this - as there are apparently health benefits). And used IF to ensure my FBGs stayed low while my body got used to being drug free. The Forums have been a fantastic mine of information - as well as great company when you are feeling like you're on your own. So I'm just going to stick with the LCHF regeim and see how my cholesterol is in a couple of months.

Thanks again guys.

I'll try out the chocky ganache cheesecake suggestion - sounds perfect for Xmas pud! especially as my kids hate cheesecake - so all the more for me...
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Many people (far more than they or we realise) are intolerant to wheat and/or grain based carbs, and certainly, in my opinion, not all carbs are equal, in terms of Blood impact per gram. Perhaps as you introduce carbs, over time, you will find this to be the case for you with grains.

Have you read about "last meal effect"? This is whereby our bodies base our digestive enzyme production on what we recently and/or routinely ate. This means if we suddenly have a different eating routine, whether it be reintroducing carbs or increasing fats, our bodies sometimes protest - whether that be increased blood scores or indigestion. If we do it again, relatively shortly thereafter, we may find we cope better. So any reintroduction programme should bear this in mind, so that we don't over react to the shocks our bodies might have on a first introduction of something. How each food is handled is quite personal, although there will be personal nuances.

Some of our PFTs are quite low. I have no idea where mine is/was, and I hope I never recrossed it to find out! As far as body shape is concerned, belly fat tends to cling on there and for myself I was really very slim before I acquired a teenie, tiny waist. It appeared all of a sudden when I was trying hard to maintain my weight (I.e stopping further loss, in my case). Again, you have to decide when enough is enough, but my view was, when I had an incline I have crossed the threshold, was to build myself a bit of a buffer zone, because I really don't want to traverse it again.

On the topic of high fat, I only ever use that term on here, as that's part of "our language". In my conversations with family, friends and medics, I talk about "enough fat", as they find that less alarming and it's equally truthfully descriptive. If I am asked how much is enough, I go on to describe it, but folks are rarely interested in the detail. My doc was interested, and once she got over twitching and learned a bit more about lipid composition, she's a fan, and content with whatever I do.

Sometimes we just have to think through how we communicate things, to achieve the responses we want. I'm sure you can find a way forward, but do try the "enough fat" approach. It honestly stopped all those "are you a complete nutter?" looks we sometimes experience coming our way right in their tracks.

Good luck with it all. You've obviously thought things through really well. I'm sure you'll continue to do well.
 
I add my congratulations @Saltyseas
From personal experience, I would say remain vigilant about testing BG, and carb consumption.

Hope you remain well and in 'reversal'.
 
Arab Horse said:
Very well done; what a result. I am a "thin" T2 so no fat to lose bur like you I am quite carb intolerant. Hate having to watch everyone else eating all the things I love and can't eat!
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Many thanks @Arab Horse, Yes - I'm finding it more difficult with the kids on holiday and with the smells of freshly baked cake and pastries (my daughter follows Bake Off!!).

What do you eat, if you don't mid me asking, in order to avoid carbs?

I tested today after just the cooked pastry bases of a couple of mince pies and BGs were not good (7.5 after 1hr and 9.2! after 2.5 hrs). So I'm sticking to eating mainly meat, fat and dairy with green leafy veg in moderation, oh and nuts/seeds (but I still have to limit those).
 
AndBreathe said:
Many people (far more than they or we realise) are intolerant to wheat and/or grain based carbs, and certainly, in my opinion, not all carbs are equal, in terms of Blood impact per gram. Perhaps as you introduce carbs, over time, you will find this to be the case for you with grains.

Have you read about "last meal effect"? This is whereby our bodies base our digestive enzyme production on what we recently and/or routinely ate. This means if we suddenly have a different eating routine, whether it be reintroducing carbs or increasing fats, our bodies sometimes protest - whether that be increased blood scores or indigestion. If we do it again, relatively shortly thereafter, we may find we cope better. So any reintroduction programme should bear this in mind, so that we don't over react to the shocks our bodies might have on a first introduction of something. How each food is handled is quite personal, although there will be personal nuances.

Some of our PFTs are quite low. I have no idea where mine is/was, and I hope I never recrossed it to find out! As far as body shape is concerned, belly fat tends to cling on there and for myself I was really very slim before I acquired a teenie, tiny waist. It appeared all of a sudden when I was trying hard to maintain my weight (I.e stopping further loss, in my case). Again, you have to decide when enough is enough, but my view was, when I had an incline I have crossed the threshold, was to build myself a bit of a buffer zone, because I really don't want to traverse it again.

On the topic of high fat, I only ever use that term on here, as that's part of "our language". In my conversations with family, friends and medics, I talk about "enough fat", as they find that less alarming and it's equally truthfully descriptive. If I am asked how much is enough, I go on to describe it, but folks are rarely interested in the detail. My doc was interested, and once she got over twitching and learned a bit more about lipid composition, she's a fan, and content with whatever I do.

Sometimes we just have to think through how we communicate things, to achieve the responses we want. I'm sure you can find a way forward, but do try the "enough fat" approach. It honestly stopped all those "are you a complete nutter?" looks we sometimes experience coming our way right in their tracks.

Good luck with it all. You've obviously thought things through really well. I'm sure you'll continue to do well.
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Hi @AndBreathe - Very interested in the "last Meal Effect" I'll have to look it up. I think Andrew Colvin reintroduced carbs this way, I'll re-read his threads. I am a bit concerned that I am just carb intolerant and will never be able to eat flour/bread/pasta again but it still might be that stubborn belly fat that is blocking the B-cells, as according to my waist measurement I'm still in the obese category. So i'll continue to work on that and hopefully cross my PFT soon.

You are quite right about the communication / understanding of "fat". I was telling a colleague about my new LCHF diet and he said bluntly I would now die of a heart attack with all the meat, cheese and cream I consume! It's a shame that it is so ingrained in peoples' perception that 'fat is bad for you' especially now that a lot of new research points to sugar and wheat based carbs being the bigger problem.

Many thanks for all your great threads and contributions.
 
Saltyseas said:
Whoops / sent to soon!
... go back down after a cup of tea to 4's and 5's only after an hour after FBGS in 7's! I'm a bit confused about introducing carbs as I think we are all so different. I don't seem to spike much with neat sugar but do very badly with wheat based carbs - but maybe I tested too late for the sudden peak after sugar??

I do still have a 'belly' and would love to get rid of this as this might be the key to be able to eating a few starchy wheat based carbs in the future (wondering if my PFT is at a slightly lower BMI and the belly fat is still an indication of fatty pancreas/liver?).

I was most put out by the GP getting quite concerned about the HF part of my new way of eating. He initially suggested me seeing the nutritionist (I saw her 5 years ago and was given the food pyramid and from my GPs understanding of carbs/fats I don't think the NHS advice has changed much).

I came off the metformin slowly (although my GP advised me to stay on this - as there are apparently health benefits). And used IF to ensure my FBGs stayed low while my body got used to being drug free. The Forums have been a fantastic mine of information - as well as great company when you are feeling like you're on your own. So I'm just going to stick with the LCHF regeim and see how my cholesterol is in a couple of months.

Thanks again guys.

I'll try out the chocky ganache cheesecake suggestion - sounds perfect for Xmas pud! especially as my kids hate cheesecake - so all the more for me...
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more than likely the sugar has a bad spike between 15-30 0r to 60min mark and be gone, it's like burning newspaper compared to a log at 2 hours. fat can slow it down sometimes
 
Saltyseas said:
Many thanks @Arab Horse, Yes - I'm finding it more difficult with the kids on holiday and with the smells of freshly baked cake and pastries (my daughter follows Bake Off!!).

What do you eat, if you don't mid me asking, in order to avoid carbs?

I tested today after just the cooked pastry bases of a couple of mince pies and BGs were not good (7.5 after 1hr and 9.2! after 2.5 hrs). So I'm sticking to eating mainly meat, fat and dairy with green leafy veg in moderation, oh and nuts/seeds (but I still have to limit those).
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I eat salads with meat/cheese/avocado and a Lidl or Sainsbury's sour cream and chive dressing or a similar low card dressing for lunch or evening meal.The alternative to that is meat or fish with cooked veg and occasionally some berries and cream after. For breakfast I have a grapefruit followed by a 2 egg omelette with onion, garlic, tomato, cheese etc. It is not what I would choose to have and hated it at first but I have got used to it now. I also like a chicken curry but it isn't the same without rice, nan bread etc and of course no potatoes either. When we eat with family or eat out I usually just have one teaspoon of someone's sticky toffee pudding or something equally gorgeous but can't have a deset as I really don't want the cheese board!

I really miss my fresh fruit; used to eat a lot of fruit but can't now but have to have my grapefruit to start the day.

Christmas is difficult. Last year was my first and I hated it but the alternative of all the nasty side effects is worse than doing without. You are doing great; keep up the good work. It is hard but worth it in the long run.
 
Well done, but you have to stick with it for life to avoid those terrible illnesses that aflict diabetics with bad or no control,a visit to my local Diabetic Centre was a eye opener for me.the NHS would save millions just by tell diabetics about these forums
 
Arab Horse said:
I eat salads with meat/cheese/avocado and a Lidl or Sainsbury's sour cream and chive dressing or a similar low card dressing for lunch or evening meal.The alternative to that is meat or fish with cooked veg and occasionally some berries and cream after. For breakfast I have a grapefruit followed by a 2 egg omelette with onion, garlic, tomato, cheese etc. It is not what I would choose to have and hated it at first but I have got used to it now. I also like a chicken curry but it isn't the same without rice, nan bread etc and of course no potatoes either. When we eat with family or eat out I usually just have one teaspoon of someone's sticky toffee pudding or something equally gorgeous but can't have a deset as I really don't want the cheese board!

I really miss my fresh fruit; used to eat a lot of fruit but can't now but have to have my grapefruit to start the day.

Christmas is difficult. Last year was my first and I hated it but the alternative of all the nasty side effects is worse than doing without. You are doing great; keep up the good work. It is hard but worth it in the long run.
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Many thanks @Arab Horse - that's really helpful. I can't eat much fruit yet but I'm working on it (only finding blueberries dont spike me too much so I'm sticking to them). I'm finding And Breathe's suggestions of additional fat, especially in puddings, very helpful and had a lovely cheesecake today for the first time in months! with very stable BGs 1 and 2 hrs after.

Hope you all have a great Christmas.
 
Saltyseas said:
Many thanks @Arab Horse - that's really helpful. I can't eat much fruit yet but I'm working on it (only finding blueberries dont spike me too much so I'm sticking to them). I'm finding And Breathe's suggestions of additional fat, especially in puddings, very helpful and had a lovely cheesecake today for the first time in months! with very stable BGs 1 and 2 hrs after.

Hope you all have a great Christmas.
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I'm really pleased that seemed to work for you, but I would say that with the added fat, it's worth testing for a bit longer, due to the spike delaying nature of the fat. I'm certainly not saying you will be disappointed, but it's better to have the full picture than the palatable picture. So, maybe a test at 2.5 and 3 hours, just as a check?

Merry Christmas to you and yours too.
 
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