The Cure for Type 2 Diabetes

[Dennis]

Hi Choco,

Its more than just a link between diabetes and trans-fats. The fact that trans fats have caused cell damage is universally accepted. Many researchers are now convinced that trans fat cell damage is partly responsible for insulin resistance and research is ongoing to try to prove the case. Research is also being undertaken by other bodies specialising in cancer, MS, Alzheimers and Parkinsons, where trans fats are believed to be a contributory factor, if not a primary cause. However the damage is reversible as our bodies constantly create new cells, so by ensuring that we get rid of the stored trans fats and that no further trans fats are ingested we can have a healthy cell system that is receptive to insulin instead of resistant to it.

The intake of high quantities of cis oils (omega-3 and omega-6 oils) as proposed by Carefix is one way of doing this. A bit drastic but it does produce quick results. There is an easier way which is to take omega-3 and omega-6 in a more palatable (but lower dosage) capsule form. The capsule way takes at least 12 weeks to replace all the trans fats, but the end result is the same.

 

[chocoholic]

Thanks for the clarification, Dennis.So, as a Type 2 on insulin, are you saying I could actually be in a position of not having to take insulin at all? Sorry, the answer is probably in the first piece of this thread which I haven't fully digested (along with my CIS oils) yet.
I have done a little more research on the net about this tonight, as I do find this fascinating.

 

[Dennis]

Hi Choco,

I'm not qualified to say whether you would be able to come off insulin. Type 2 can have many different causes and cellular resistance caused by trans fats is just one of them. If that's the cause of your particular diabetes, then yes, it might be possible. It is most likely that cell damage is only a part of the cause.

Good on you for doing the research - keep it up. The more we know about how diabetes works then the better we are able to tame it.

 

[StephenFromScotland]

Guys,
I am finding this stuff facinating too.
It just seems to make a lot of sense and I think it's well worth a go,what have we all got to lose?
OMG choco, I am so sorry to hear about what happened to you,that is so traggic

 

[Redathena]

Hi Hi,

Firstly, I'm in a bit a limbo, as I haven't "officially" been diagnosed yet. Since Christmas I have been off work ill. At first I just thought that it was the stress of Christmas that was taking it's toll, but when the symptoms continued I became seriously worried. Now the doctors are startign to investigate, as despite their initial responses of just rest I haven't gotten better. I have had a number of symptoms and had various tests, including 3 blood tests 2 standard and a fasting blood test, but my doctor has advised me that she is almost positive that I am type II diabetic. I am due to have another urine test and fasting blood test this week.

If there is anyone who can tell me what a positive type II test would be I'd be grateful.

In my search for information, which has been extensive I have come across a "cure" for type II. It seems similar to the one recommended by John Curefix. So desperate for hope, I was wondering if anyone has seen this link, tried this diet and if anyone has had any success. I'd greatly appreciate the feedback.

http://www.cancertutor.com/Diabetes/Dia ... ype_II.htm

You'll notice that it is very specific anout the oil and names Barlean's oil, again has anyone tried this. Does the oil make the difference?

I'd really appreciate any advice that anyone could offer.

Also based on the recommendation of avoiding trans fats, can anyone advise on a dos and dont's for this diet?

Many Thanks

 

[Lady J]

You should be extremely careful about 'curing' type II (or type I for that matter).

Many many people with type 2 manage the condition very well with diet and exercise alone, without the need for medication. This usually involves going lower carb and exercising regularly to keep blood glucose levels down.

Type 2 diabetes means that you have developed resistence to insulin. Insulin is the body's natural way of processing carbohydrates/glucose for energy. If you are not able to use Insulin properly, you will feel lethargic, lacking in energy etc etc.

I would strongly encourage you NOT to be fooled into thinking there is "a cure", because regardless of what you eat or take, you will still have insulin resistence. Instead, think about educating yourself in order that you fully understand the condition, and think about how you can help yourself and certainly alleviate the symptoms through diet and exercise (and if necessary medication). That way, you can avoid complications. Read as much as you can (consider buying a very good book by Gretch Becker called Type 2 Diabetes: The First Year).

This is a much more positive way to go about things than clinging to false hope about a cure from people who are simply trying to sell you something.

LJ

 

[Lady J]

Sorry: the author of the book is Gretchen Becker - typo!

LJ

 

[lockman5602]

This entire thread on "the cure" has prompted me to register and join the discussion.

I am 45 years old, have been diagnosed for 18 years now. For the first 8 - 10 years I was controlled by oral medication (I forget the name of it as it has been years ago now.) Since then I have been controlled by insulin injections.

I have a couple questions about this treatment. Today I went to the store and purchased flaxseed oil in 1000mg softgels. I already had the fish oil gelcaps of 1200 mg. I was not able to find hemp oil at the store today. I also purchased cinnamon 500 mg tabs.(cinnamomum cassia)The flaxseed oil states on the bottle about being cold processed with no solvents. Also under a nitrogen blanket and yellow light to prevent oxygen and white light contamination.

My question is will these gelcaps work the same as the nasty tasting oils?

My other question is what might the dosage conversion be, or should I just follow what it says on the bottle?

I am horrible about consistently testing, but I believe I have had pretty good control over the years since as long as I have been diabetic, I am just now starting to feel the tingling in my feet, and thus far it is not unbearable, just irritating. It is my hope that even if this does not cure my diabetes it might reverse the tingling and prevent it from getting worse.

Carefix, kudos to you. I have read every word here by you that I can find and have not found anything to make me believe you are anything but genuine in your attempt to help yourself and share your successes wth others!

Bryan

 

Appologies to all,

I have recently started looking into the Brown Fat issue and <b>I have discovered my information is complete nonsense</b>! I must have picked up what the GP was saying incorrectly. At some point I will try and delete the false information ASAP.

However I am finding some interesting information in the literature and will be looking at that.

I know that some of you have been in communication with Dr. TW (I will not use his name as I am not sure he has been generally introduced or would want to be). Dr TW is a physician with a special interest in diabetes and obesity. He is interested in what is going on here. We are talking of some kind of a collaboration - more later.

At the moment from what little data I have, from my own experience and from some of the literature I am reading it does seem that there are two aspects to diabetes 2. The first is the metabolic dysfunction and the second the blood glucose regulation:

1) We know that in some people both are cured with the EFA diet.
2) We know that in some people the metabolic dysfunction is cured with the EFA diet.

3) I suspect that in all people the metabolic dysfunction is cured by the EFA diet - however in the early stages of diabetes the metabolic dysfunction will be likely to be small so any cure may not yeild a significant weight loss. However the EFA diet should cure any such dysfunction and prevent it developing even if after a year you switch to a maintenance level of EFAs. Metabolic dysfunction is subjectively the worst aspect of type 2 when developed.
4) I suspect that in some people the glucose regulation may not be fully restored over the initial period and at this stage it may never be reached in some people. However I seem to recall that this took several years in Karen's case and I seem to be improving in this department as well. I haven't given up.

It is item (4) which I am now begining to investigate.

If anyone wants to email me and discuss things at any time please do so. I have had an horrendous year and my morale sucks right now.

We do need as much data as is possible. I suspect that the answer is in the literature or may well be soon in the literature. Remember on past performance the doctors will not tell you. It has been known since the 1950s that trans fats cause diabetes. half a century later the standard medical dietary recommendation is that you eat trans fat laden oils.

All the best and sorry about the brown fat mis info.

John

 

Dear Lockman,

Best of luck with it. What would be really useful is as much data you can give us on your staring position. Typical bg levels, Hb1AC, blood pressure, BMI, medication, cholesterol, neropathy, wellbeing.

Remember that it is a dietary change and not medication. The quantities are given at the top of this thread. Capsules are OK but you need a lot of them. Last time I bought Hemp oil I bought it at Tesco and they are selling it at £3.50 per 500ml. It is in a black bottle (in the oils section at my store) and called "Good Oil" in big white letters. Remove all trans fats from your diet.

My tingling was aweful but was completely cured within six months.

If you are overweight you should hopefully see significant weight loss over the period of a year but only if you have significant metabolic dysfunction. If you don't eat much and are significantly overweight this is likely to be the case.

Please give us a monthly update and/or email me.

John

 

Dennis,

Just querying your statement: <i>"The capsule way takes at least 12 weeks to replace all the trans fats, but the end result is the same"</i>

Body cells are replaced on average every two years and even with normal body weight you will most likely be carrying many pounds of trans fats. In my view you need to make sure you have a high level of EFAs and other cis oils in your body for a considerable period to prevent these trans fats from being used in cell construction. I would agree that in theory the amount of EFAs you take is many times more than you would take in a normal diet but would argue you have been missing these oils for decades in your diet. I think that saturating yourself with EFAs for about a year is an important aspect for the first year before reducing intake to a maintenance intake thereafter - at about 1 desertspoonful of hemp and flax oils for a year and maybe a teaspoonful of hemp oil thereafter.

There is no exact formula as we know. Have any cures been reported in just twelve weeks on capsules? I'm out of date.

John



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<br />Hi Choco,

Its more than just a link between diabetes and trans-fats. The fact that trans fats have caused cell damage is universally accepted. Many researchers are now convinced that trans fat cell damage is partly responsible for insulin resistance and research is ongoing to try to prove the case. Research is also being undertaken by other bodies specialising in cancer, MS, Alzheimers and Parkinsons, where trans fats are believed to be a contributory factor, if not a primary cause. However the damage is reversible as our bodies constantly create new cells, so by ensuring that we get rid of the stored trans fats and that no further trans fats are ingested we can have a healthy cell system that is receptive to insulin instead of resistant to it.

The intake of high quantities of cis oils (omega-3 and omega-6 oils) as proposed by Carefix is one way of doing this. A bit drastic but it does produce quick results. There is an easier way which is to take omega-3 and omega-6 in a more palatable (but lower dosage) capsule form. The capsule way takes at least 12 weeks to replace all the trans fats, but the end result is the same.


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Lady J,

Many people reporting on this site find they have been cured or at least improved using the EFA diet. That it should work is confirmed by the scientific literature. No one is selling anything or making anything out of the EFA diet as a direct result of any posts made here.

"Insulin resistence" is caused by trans fats according to the scientific literature. The EFA diet is simply the replacement of the synthetic oils that do not exist in biological nature with the natural cis-oils that do and which have been demonstrated by the researchers in the peer reviewed scientific literature to reverse diabetes. Its all in the first article in the thread. And as I said there: don't believe me, find out for yourself.

Standard medical advice is false and designed to make your condition worse. The medical establishment recommend the consumption of trans fat based oils which are known to cause diabetes.

I can't make it any easier than that.


John




<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Lady J</i>
<br />You should be extremely careful about 'curing' type II (or type I for that matter).

Many many people with type 2 manage the condition very well with diet and exercise alone, without the need for medication. This usually involves going lower carb and exercising regularly to keep blood glucose levels down.

Type 2 diabetes means that you have developed resistence to insulin. Insulin is the body's natural way of processing carbohydrates/glucose for energy. If you are not able to use Insulin properly, you will feel lethargic, lacking in energy etc etc.

I would strongly encourage you NOT to be fooled into thinking there is "a cure", because regardless of what you eat or take, you will still have insulin resistence. Instead, think about educating yourself in order that you fully understand the condition, and think about how you can help yourself and certainly alleviate the symptoms through diet and exercise (and if necessary medication). That way, you can avoid complications. Read as much as you can (consider buying a very good book by Gretch Becker called Type 2 Diabetes: The First Year).

This is a much more positive way to go about things than clinging to false hope about a cure from people who are simply trying to sell you something.

LJ
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An important point...

Somebody on this thread remaked upon how nice it was to find somewhere to discuss your condition with other sufferers of diabetes.

I must add my compliments to diabetes UK who have allowed free and open discussions and links to other sites in a way that I have not found possible on other sites. Can you find anywhere to discuss the role of trans fats in cardio vascular disease with people afflicted by this condition? I can't. The British Heart Foundation seems to be free of forums like this and give out top down information from the medical establishment which will make your condition worse. The MS Society is almost as bad and don't allow links so you cannot justify your arguments with reference to other sites. Many people there are improving their neuropathy with Hemp Oil.

<i>Just in case Diabetes UK were thinking of branching out into other areas where they could do much good there is a crying need for similar sites where top down information flows from the vested interests could be replaced by the peer to peer communication we have on this site. It could become a new way of stimulating research in the right direction. The way should be prevention and cure rather than the orthodox cause, worsen and symptom treatment for profit.</i>
John

 

[carefix]

Just a quickie,

As discused I decided to take further my investigations into glucose regulation in type 2 diabetes and obesity. My initial look into the serious scientific literature on brown fat and diabetes -and its very early days at the moment - revealed some interesting work on the gr mechanism and its relationship with the hormone "Leptin". Anyway before proceeding further I thought it might be worth putting the word "cinnamon leptin" into google.

I know you clever people have been trying to tell me about cinnamon for ages and I have been trying to limit the variables and get some sensible information out of you. You may have had the best approach. I would still regard either of these possibilities as symptom treatment but they must be worth trying. Caution - check out leptin and breast cancer.

Any thoughts anybody?

John

 

[Dennis]

Hello John,

First let me say how good it is to see you back and posting on here. You have been greatly missed by many of us. Not everyone may agree with your hypotheses, but your posts always provoke thought and debate.

On the omega-3 and omega-6 capsules, what I was trying to say, and looking back not very well, is that after 12 weeks on the recommended high dose level of capsules (2400mg of omega-3 and 600mg of omega-6), and provided you are no longer taking trans-fats, the body's efa levels should be high enough for all new cell production to utilise "good" oils.

I wasn't aware that muscle cells have as long a shelf life as 2 years, but on that basis we certainly would be carrying a good amount of compromised cells. But surely your higher doses of flax oil (omega-3) and hemp oil (omega-6) will not remove the cells that have been corrupted by trans fats any quicker?

 

[ihateneedles]

Thanks carefix,very interesting read

 

[lockman5602]

Carefix,

I know I am going to catch some flack from this, but I haven;t been to a Doctor in close to 10 years. I basically got tired of spending the money for him to check my BG and add more or less insulin and pay the lady on the way out. Anyway this is why I can;t give you more of theh bloodwork data you want.

I can tell you though that I keep fairly good control, usually in th 150-180 range in the AM...and sorry, I am in the US so I am not sre how to convert that data to the Canadian measures.

A little more about me.

I am 45 year old male, was diagnosed at about age 27. for the first 8-10 years was controlled by oral medication, and since then have been taking 2 shots a day, usually 25 units in the AM and 35-40 units in the evening depending on what I am eating and what my readings are.

As far as weight, I seem to be the opposite of most diabetics. I weighed 220 lbs prior to diabetes. I am also 6'1" tall. WITHIN ^ MONTHS I dropped to 170 lbs. Just prior to going to the shots, I had gotten divorced, lost weight again (down to 125lbs) with the stress, depression and just didn't take care of my diabetes at all. I have since been able to build back up to 150-160 lbs fairly steady. I can drop weight almost instantly, but takes a LONG time to put an back on.

Something interesting has happened in the last few day though. I started taking the pill form of the supplemnts I mentioned earlier. but here is the list of what I have taken.

Flaxseed oil 2 capsules at night
same with fish oil, cinnamon (500mg), and msm. Until this morning I kept forgetting them in the AM, today I took the same in the AM and again this PM. I started this Wednesday evening.

Ok, the interesting part. My sugar has risen somewhat in the last two days, but my eating habits have been a bit different since the transmission in my van went out and have been stressing and working on it late hours into the night (I am self employed and this van is my income!) so that might explain the rise in BG.

The other things I noticed are that for the last two years I have had to have reading glasses to sit at the computer and do any work. I am currently and since yesterday evening writing this without them at all. Also for about the last year my feet tingle and bother me mostly at night. The last two nights have been improved, still there but quite a bit better.

I am a realist and I know that I just started taking these supplements, but I can't find any other explanation for the immediate improvements. Any ideas?

Bryan

 

[Dennis]

Hi Bryan,

I was rather surprised about your readings. When you say you have good control I assume you mean its good that you are able to keep them within that range. But 150 is much too high, and 180 is very high. 150 is the maximum level your BG should reach AFTER eating. Your fasting level should be no higher than 120, and ideally below 100.

What you have been experiencing with your eyes and feet are the first warning signs of neuropathy damage. The BG levels you have been maintaining are pretty much guaranteed to bring on neuropathy. But it is reversible if you take steps to reduce your blood sugar levels. If you don't do anything then your next steps will be blindness and loss of limbs.

At the moment you are skating on very thin ice. I am self-employed as well and I know that every penny counts. My advice would be to bite the bullet and go see your doctor, because it sounds like your insulin intake may not be right for you - it certainly isn't getting your BGs down to the level they should be at.

 

[lockman5602]

Dennis,

The problem is if I try to maintain those kinds of BG's, I end up in a constant state of hypo's. I start shaking at about 80 and will dive quickly from there. I was told by my last doctor that everyone has a threshold and that my goal should be around 150. That of course could be wrong completely because I consider that doctor a complete quack anyway!

Bryan

 

[Dennis]

Hi Bryan,

80 (which equates to 4.4 mmol/l in the UK) is only slightly higher than the point when you should first experience symptoms of hypo. You probably have a higher threshold because you have been maintaining higher than normal levels for so long, and that can make you start to experience a hypo at a higher than usual level. But 80 is a lot lower than the levels you have been maintaining.

I just can't believe that any doctor could recommend for a diabetic to aim for a target of 150 (8.3 mmol/l). They do like us to maintain a level slightly higher than a non-diabetic would have, but that is because we can hypo whereas a non-diabetic can't. But their usual "high" recommendation is around 100 to 115.