The Demonisation Of Saturated Fat - A Primer

borofergie said:

phoenix said:

I'd drink raw milk if I could get my hands on it.

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Well I can, its dispensed from a machine in the car park of a local supermarketl
(just like this one , and 'open' 24 hours)
http://www.americansinfrance.net/attrac ... achine.cfm)
I know that it comes from a local producer and because he sells raw milk, his herd and dairy is very closely inspected. The milk is not pooled with other milks so there no questions about traceability so I have bought it and drunk it.

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Send me some in the post Phoenix!

Actually, I've just arrived in India. The idea of pasturising and sterilising anything that gets anywhere near my mouth seems kinda of tempting right now. Anyone know how many Imodium it takes to kill you. I'm going to take one less than that. As a precaution.

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I didn't think milk was paleo :lol:
I thought about this yesterday and concluded that I'm prepared to drink it but I wouldn't give it to my grandchildren or pregnant daughter-in-law or any other vulnerable person.
As OH said (another ex aeronautical engineer, into HS assessments). The risk was small but the potential hazard was great. He also pointed out that in theory I'm also vulnerable.
(and of course he's right but I just don't feel that was)

phoenix said:

I didn't think milk was paleo :lol:
I thought about this yesterday and concluded that I'm prepared to drink it but I wouldn't give it to my grandchildren or pregnant daughter-in-law or any other vulnerable person.
As OH said (another ex aeronautical engineer, into HS assessments). The risk was small but the potential hazard was great. He also pointed out that in theory I'm also vulnerable.
(and of course he's right but I just don't feel that was)

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I think that regular milk is not as pure and wholesome as some would have us believe. Cows given growth hormones and antibiotics, pus in the milk due to things like mastitis. Most things in life are a risk, and as I read the other day, there is nothing that we eat that can be guaranteed to be 100% safe, we just have to try to minimize the risk.

phoenix said:

I didn't think milk was paleo :lol:
I thought about this yesterday and concluded that I'm prepared to drink it but I wouldn't give it to my grandchildren or pregnant daughter-in-law or any other vulnerable person.
As OH said (another ex aeronautical engineer, into HS assessments). The risk was small but the potential hazard was great. He also pointed out that in theory I'm also vulnerable.
(and of course he's right but I just don't feel that was)

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It's not Paleo at all - although raw milk is less neolithic than pasturised.

I'd agree with your assessment of the risks of raw milk (I'm an aero engineer too although probably a more foolhardy one).

borofergie posted this interesting reply in a thread which has now been locked... the reply is, I consider, highy relevant to this particular thread:

Geezer654 wrote:They may well be based on old myths and misunderstandings but they are myths and misunderstanding that have been proved that high fat is bad for you. A whole country that has an obese problem is testament to that. The controversy is that there is not enough LONG term research for me to see what the long term effects are.

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"a whole country that is obese is testament to that":
Here is a graph showing the consumption of macronutrients in the USA. As you can see, during the "obesity epidemic" the consumption of fat has stayed constant, and the consumption of carbohydrates has risen.

Or put another way:


Maybe you'd be so kind to provide some links to some meta-reviews that demonstrate that a high-fat diet "is bad for you".

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I would love to see that "Fat" line broken down into two "Fat" lines, one for saturated animal fats, the other for vegetable based fats with possibly that line broken into two for artificially hydrogenated fats and natural liquid vegetable fats...

Paul, we can easily do that - in fact I've done it somewhere else. I'll dig it out later...

You can easily see what the trends are from the graphs I posted here:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=33327&hilit=lard#p313562

The consumption of Animal fats has decreased greatly, matched by an equally significant increase in the consumption of hydrogenated fats and natural liquid vegetable fats.

It's a no-brainer that saturated fat consumption is not a key contributor to the obesity epidemic.

Paul_c said:

borofergie posted this interesting reply in a thread which has now been locked... the reply is, I consider, highy relevant to this particular thread:

Geezer654 wrote:They may well be based on old myths and misunderstandings but they are myths and misunderstanding that have been proved that high fat is bad for you. A whole country that has an obese problem is testament to that. The controversy is that there is not enough LONG term research for me to see what the long term effects are.

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"a whole country that is obese is testament to that":
Here is a graph showing the consumption of macronutrients in the USA. As you can see, during the "obesity epidemic" the consumption of fat has stayed constant, and the consumption of carbohydrates has risen.

Or put another way:


Maybe you'd be so kind to provide some links to some meta-reviews that demonstrate that a high-fat diet "is bad for you".

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I would love to see that "Fat" line broken down into two "Fat" lines, one for saturated animal fats, the other for vegetable based fats with possibly that line broken into two for artificially hydrogenated fats and natural liquid vegetable fats...

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I'm not in any way knocking Vegetarians, but since the 80's I noticed a lot of young people turning away from red meat and either going over to eating chicken only or cutting out all meat and fish and becoming what they considered to be 'vegetarian'. To a lot of them being a 'vegetarian' meant living on noodles, bread, pasta, rice and cheese with hardly a vegetable in sight and very little protein. So their diet is predominantly carbs. Could this be another reason that diabetes is on the rise, particularly over the last decade or so?

Vegetarianism - according to a Linda McArtney circular, chip butties are vegetarian- vegan, if oil is used for the chips.

And no, "she" wasn't advocating a chip butty diet.

IanD said:

Vegetarianism - according to a Linda McArtney circular, chip butties are vegetarian- vegan, if oil is used for the chips.

And no, "she" wasn't advocating a chip butty diet.

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Oooooh I sooooooooooo wish I could tolerate a chip butty dripping with butter, salt and vinegar!!! I can smell it now. :cry: