Can someone give me an idea of a day's meals that would be the perfect diet for me (working, married, no kids), as I thought I was doing OK, but others in the forum seem to think I am not. For example, I thought oats were the wonderfood for diabetics, and wholewheat products could be eaten without a great rise in BS levels. Many thanks.
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The Ideal Diet?
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I think you will need to figure out what is ideal for YOU.
Can you let us know a few things?
What sort of diabetes do you have?
How is your diabetes control?
Are you overweight?
Do you exercise?
Do you like cooking?
Do you like fast food?
What foods do you love and what ones do you hate?
Does your husband have any particular dietary preferences?
Can you let us know a few things?
What sort of diabetes do you have?
How is your diabetes control?
Are you overweight?
Do you exercise?
Do you like cooking?
Do you like fast food?
What foods do you love and what ones do you hate?
Does your husband have any particular dietary preferences?
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As we are all unique, thankfully, I would say there isn't a one-size fits all diet for diabetes.
Some report success with a low GI diet, others with a much reduced carbohydrate intake. The only way that you will be able to discover what works for you is by testing and developing a personalised diet that helps you meet your objectives.
Wholegrain foods certainly play a part in a low GI diet as does managing portion sizes. The food forum recipes thread is an excellent place to start looking at food ideas, and the low carb forum discusses, rather obviously, low carb issues.
There are plenty of books out there that go into more detail about specific diet plans - I can recommend Rick Gallop's The GI Diet. The British Diatetic Association's food facts page has fact sheets that discuss, at a high level, dietary option for diabetics, so-called fad-diets, the principles behind the low GI diet.
If you haven't already, I would recommend getting a referral to a dietitian, we are meant to be able to self-refer but it might be more efficient to work through your GP.
Regards, Tubs.
Some report success with a low GI diet, others with a much reduced carbohydrate intake. The only way that you will be able to discover what works for you is by testing and developing a personalised diet that helps you meet your objectives.
Wholegrain foods certainly play a part in a low GI diet as does managing portion sizes. The food forum recipes thread is an excellent place to start looking at food ideas, and the low carb forum discusses, rather obviously, low carb issues.
There are plenty of books out there that go into more detail about specific diet plans - I can recommend Rick Gallop's The GI Diet. The British Diatetic Association's food facts page has fact sheets that discuss, at a high level, dietary option for diabetics, so-called fad-diets, the principles behind the low GI diet.
If you haven't already, I would recommend getting a referral to a dietitian, we are meant to be able to self-refer but it might be more efficient to work through your GP.
Regards, Tubs.
I really need help here. Firstly, can you tell me how to get started. Literally, talk to me as if I was an idiot. Do I need to weigh all my foods first? How do I test, and how do you tell what raises your blood sugars - if I am eating every couple of hours during the day, and interspersing that with coffees and drinks, how do I know what is raising my BS levels?
In reply to Katherine, I have Type 2 diabetes, diagnosed, I am sad to say, around 7-8 years ago, and I have been dieting/exercising on and off since then. My diabetes was treated firstly with glucophage, then my doctor added Amaryl, then in November I started on 26 units of insulin at night, this week I started taking 20 units first thing in the morning. Yes, I am around 3 stones overweight. I aim to exercise by walking, but I don't go often enough. I love to cook (the one main hobby of my husband and myself is eating, both at home and at good restaurants, and we love good wine). Don't eat fast food. Sadly, love protein foods with rich sauces and carbs, with a small amount of vegetables on the side, love deserts. Hate big salads.
I am British, but live in Switzerland, the land of cheeses and potatoes, and lots of eating out. I therefore have restrictions in what I can buy in the shops (very little choice, and very little low carb alternatives).
I have bought many books on diabetes, both text and cookery, and find it all very confusing, and have been very disappointed by some of the recipes I've tried.
You will by now be saying that I am a rather stupid person who should have got this under control a long time ago. Well, I am now so determined to do this, but I need help. So, to start with, please help with my questions at the beginning of this message.
In reply to Katherine, I have Type 2 diabetes, diagnosed, I am sad to say, around 7-8 years ago, and I have been dieting/exercising on and off since then. My diabetes was treated firstly with glucophage, then my doctor added Amaryl, then in November I started on 26 units of insulin at night, this week I started taking 20 units first thing in the morning. Yes, I am around 3 stones overweight. I aim to exercise by walking, but I don't go often enough. I love to cook (the one main hobby of my husband and myself is eating, both at home and at good restaurants, and we love good wine). Don't eat fast food. Sadly, love protein foods with rich sauces and carbs, with a small amount of vegetables on the side, love deserts. Hate big salads.
I am British, but live in Switzerland, the land of cheeses and potatoes, and lots of eating out. I therefore have restrictions in what I can buy in the shops (very little choice, and very little low carb alternatives).
I have bought many books on diabetes, both text and cookery, and find it all very confusing, and have been very disappointed by some of the recipes I've tried.
You will by now be saying that I am a rather stupid person who should have got this under control a long time ago. Well, I am now so determined to do this, but I need help. So, to start with, please help with my questions at the beginning of this message.
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Hi Nannoo
I'm a total convert to low carb diet. It's simple to do and doesn't need weighing or anything complicated
The basic principles are:
Ditch the sugar( you don't need it and it has no benefits. AND anything that tastes sweet and probably contains sugar, like fizzy drinks and sweet sherry
Reduce to the minimum anything that originates from grain i.e. bread and all other baked goods, pasta and breakfast cereals also, rice, barley quinoa and all other grains.Ccouscous included. It's a pasta by the way not a grain as many people think. Whisky is OK in moderation, beer is high carb.
Likewise with starchy root vegetables, that's potaoes, parsnips, beets and any others you can think of.
If you can't do without fruit, eat only a little and preferably berries. Fruit is sweet because it's full of sugar.
Honey is not a lot of good to you either.=, unless used as a wound dressing.
eat freely of meat, poultry,fish,eggs, cheese, green leafy vegetables and salads.
Have cream and butter, cook in olive oil or butter or lard.
Get the Collins little gem calorie or carb guide. It will teach you what to avoid.
If you have a sron craving for sometihing which has carbs, have a TINY bit. dark high cocao solids chocolate is better than milk chocolate.
I'm a total convert to low carb diet. It's simple to do and doesn't need weighing or anything complicated
The basic principles are:
Ditch the sugar( you don't need it and it has no benefits. AND anything that tastes sweet and probably contains sugar, like fizzy drinks and sweet sherry
Reduce to the minimum anything that originates from grain i.e. bread and all other baked goods, pasta and breakfast cereals also, rice, barley quinoa and all other grains.Ccouscous included. It's a pasta by the way not a grain as many people think. Whisky is OK in moderation, beer is high carb.
Likewise with starchy root vegetables, that's potaoes, parsnips, beets and any others you can think of.
If you can't do without fruit, eat only a little and preferably berries. Fruit is sweet because it's full of sugar.
Honey is not a lot of good to you either.=, unless used as a wound dressing.
eat freely of meat, poultry,fish,eggs, cheese, green leafy vegetables and salads.
Have cream and butter, cook in olive oil or butter or lard.
Get the Collins little gem calorie or carb guide. It will teach you what to avoid.
If you have a sron craving for sometihing which has carbs, have a TINY bit. dark high cocao solids chocolate is better than milk chocolate.
Hi Hanadr ... oh my goodness, your reply did depress me. I am such a carb junkie ... you say you are a convert to a low carb diet - how did you do it? How did you start? I can eat green leafy veg and salads in moderation, but I just can't eat much, this sounds silly but it makes me gag. How do you get started?
Hi nannoo,
It took me longer than 7 years to figure it out too, so don't beat yourself up!
Hana has summarised it very well as usual. You say you love protein and rich sauces, well, that's no problem at all. In a nutshell, if you avoid the 'big 5' (pasta, potatoes, rice, flour and sugar) you're already most of the way there. There's really very little nutrition in any of those foods, just a heap of glucose. Instead, enjoy proper grub (meat, fish, eggs, cheeses, dairy foods, nuts, green vegetables). They contain everything you body needs but without the big sugar hit.
As diet plans go, it couldn't be simpler!
All the best,
fergus
It took me longer than 7 years to figure it out too, so don't beat yourself up!
Hana has summarised it very well as usual. You say you love protein and rich sauces, well, that's no problem at all. In a nutshell, if you avoid the 'big 5' (pasta, potatoes, rice, flour and sugar) you're already most of the way there. There's really very little nutrition in any of those foods, just a heap of glucose. Instead, enjoy proper grub (meat, fish, eggs, cheeses, dairy foods, nuts, green vegetables). They contain everything you body needs but without the big sugar hit.
As diet plans go, it couldn't be simpler!
All the best,
fergus
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This may help
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/d-day.html
he's been around for years on usenet and not only doing it himself but reading what others do successfully and digesting it into readable form
Dana Carpender
http://www.lowcarbohydrate.net/
is one of the few cookery authors widely recommended, and not just for diabetes
Also, dig through the Success Stories thread
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/d-day.html
he's been around for years on usenet and not only doing it himself but reading what others do successfully and digesting it into readable form
Dana Carpender
http://www.lowcarbohydrate.net/
is one of the few cookery authors widely recommended, and not just for diabetes
Also, dig through the Success Stories thread
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Hi nannoo
I started of doing what the NHS dietitian told me to do and taking Metformin and Gliclazide and being satisfied with BGs of up to 10 and not happy with my weight gain. then I "met" David Mendosa and went to low GI. My numbers improved, but my weight , although it stopped gggoing up( at over 16 stone)wouldn't come down. They don't tell you that Gliclazide does that!! I read Bernstein and drifted towards low carb. My weight got so bad that I was getting very depressed and I was eating "Right" and exercising. It wouldn't come down. From Bernstein and David, I learned that it was Gliclazide I was fighting. I decided I had to get rid of the Gliclazide, so on holiday in Scotland and not in a posittion to cook, I dropped out the Gliclazide and cut the carbs right back. Immediately my numbers dropped and so did my weight. I haven't done as well as Tubs in that respect, but I'm a lot older. So I've gone to pretty much Bernstein's recommended 30 carbs per day. I'm far from perfect, but on only 2 x 500mg Metformin and the reduced carbs, I keep the numbers below 6 at all times.
All I need is for more weight to come off. I eat about 1000 to1500 calories a day most days. If I'm tempted, I think of those numbers and resist. I do have some tiny treats, such as a square of dark chocolateand a taste of the kids' jelly.
It's got ingrained and I keep pretty much to it. I could still murder a plate of pasta with butter or cheese on toast. I'll have that soon, when I get Fergus's bread right. I'll make another loaf tomorrow.
I do enjoy guilt free cream in my coffee. an cheese.
I started of doing what the NHS dietitian told me to do and taking Metformin and Gliclazide and being satisfied with BGs of up to 10 and not happy with my weight gain. then I "met" David Mendosa and went to low GI. My numbers improved, but my weight , although it stopped gggoing up( at over 16 stone)wouldn't come down. They don't tell you that Gliclazide does that!! I read Bernstein and drifted towards low carb. My weight got so bad that I was getting very depressed and I was eating "Right" and exercising. It wouldn't come down. From Bernstein and David, I learned that it was Gliclazide I was fighting. I decided I had to get rid of the Gliclazide, so on holiday in Scotland and not in a posittion to cook, I dropped out the Gliclazide and cut the carbs right back. Immediately my numbers dropped and so did my weight. I haven't done as well as Tubs in that respect, but I'm a lot older. So I've gone to pretty much Bernstein's recommended 30 carbs per day. I'm far from perfect, but on only 2 x 500mg Metformin and the reduced carbs, I keep the numbers below 6 at all times.
All I need is for more weight to come off. I eat about 1000 to1500 calories a day most days. If I'm tempted, I think of those numbers and resist. I do have some tiny treats, such as a square of dark chocolateand a taste of the kids' jelly.
It's got ingrained and I keep pretty much to it. I could still murder a plate of pasta with butter or cheese on toast. I'll have that soon, when I get Fergus's bread right. I'll make another loaf tomorrow.
I do enjoy guilt free cream in my coffee. an cheese.
Fergus ... you say the diet "couldn't be simpler". But if that was the case there wouldn't be 12 million obese people in the UK, and 33,000 diabetics wouldn't be dying each year. Most people who join slimming clubs put the weight back on. So I think it is too simplistic to say the diet is easy - for most people it is damned hard.
Hi nannoo
I think you got some really good answers there from the lovely people that responded to your post, from the information and food suggested you can put together a diet to suit YOUR needs.
If you decide on giving low carb a try all you need to remember is to cut out bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, root vegetables (only have a very small amount), the high carb fruits and anything with flour/breadcrumbs - so it still leaves you with all the meat, fish, cheese, dairy products, vegetables, berries and so on, You and your husband enjoy cooking so it should be quite exciting to try out a new way of eating, you are allowed sauces made with cream etc, you are also allowed to drink your wine.
I have in the past atttended Weight Watchers and other groups, I tried the grapefruit diet, the egg diet, the cabbage soup diet, and every other diet in between, none lasted and any weight that I lost I put double that amount straight back on again.
You hit it on the nail there when you say you are a carb junkie, so was I, carbs are addictive, I then started to low carb and havent looked back since, years later I am still weighing just over 9st, I am never hungry, carb cravings have gone totally and reduced carbs is my way of life, i dont even have to think about it any more, it comes to me automatically.
I know you live in Switzerland, but low carbing is easy to do there too, you do get all those lovely fresh ingredients there to devise your own low carb/carb reduced meals, thats what we do in the UK, there are not that many low carb ready meals around, so its no difference where you live?
With low carb you dont have to weigh out ingredients either, you say that you just have a few vegetables on the side with your meals, well do you actually eat a whole rainbow? And how many portions of fruit/veg do you have per day, remember we should be eating 5 portions a day, one portion is a decent handful of any veg or fruit otherwise you probably dont get all your vitamins/minerals anyway...
I cannot tell you how low carb you need to go, that depends on your test results, you will soon learn which of the foods give you spikes and which keep you nice and steady. Look around the forum for meal suggestions and be as inventive as you want to be.
Good luck
Karen
I think you got some really good answers there from the lovely people that responded to your post, from the information and food suggested you can put together a diet to suit YOUR needs.
If you decide on giving low carb a try all you need to remember is to cut out bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, root vegetables (only have a very small amount), the high carb fruits and anything with flour/breadcrumbs - so it still leaves you with all the meat, fish, cheese, dairy products, vegetables, berries and so on, You and your husband enjoy cooking so it should be quite exciting to try out a new way of eating, you are allowed sauces made with cream etc, you are also allowed to drink your wine.
I have in the past atttended Weight Watchers and other groups, I tried the grapefruit diet, the egg diet, the cabbage soup diet, and every other diet in between, none lasted and any weight that I lost I put double that amount straight back on again.
You hit it on the nail there when you say you are a carb junkie, so was I, carbs are addictive, I then started to low carb and havent looked back since, years later I am still weighing just over 9st, I am never hungry, carb cravings have gone totally and reduced carbs is my way of life, i dont even have to think about it any more, it comes to me automatically.
I know you live in Switzerland, but low carbing is easy to do there too, you do get all those lovely fresh ingredients there to devise your own low carb/carb reduced meals, thats what we do in the UK, there are not that many low carb ready meals around, so its no difference where you live?
With low carb you dont have to weigh out ingredients either, you say that you just have a few vegetables on the side with your meals, well do you actually eat a whole rainbow? And how many portions of fruit/veg do you have per day, remember we should be eating 5 portions a day, one portion is a decent handful of any veg or fruit otherwise you probably dont get all your vitamins/minerals anyway...
I cannot tell you how low carb you need to go, that depends on your test results, you will soon learn which of the foods give you spikes and which keep you nice and steady. Look around the forum for meal suggestions and be as inventive as you want to be.
Good luck
Karen
Thank you Karen for a really helpful response. Everyone has been great with their input, and it has helped me to realise exactly what I should be doing. I have ordered the carb book that was suggested and with that I hope to be able to work out exactly how many carbs I can cope with. I have to view this as a fun challenge and hope that the cravings for carbs will go away. I'm not sure how I can deal with my feelings of deprivation, but maybe that will go over time. This forum has been so helpful, and I thank everyone for their help - I am sure I am going to have lots more questions!!
Sorry nannoo, I probably didn't put it very well.
When I said it couldn't be simpler, I meant that the principles of a low carb diet are very straightforward. I couldn't say whether anyone else would find it simple to adapt to, but I know that I did.
You're right about the shocking statistics for obesity and diabetes. It's truly tragic that one of the safest and most successful means of significantly reducing these numbers is largely ignored, at best, or more often attacked by people and agencies who ought to be better informed on the subject.
I don't see that situation changing in the short term , so presumably those terrible numbers will have to rise still further before dietary recommendations are finally changed.
All the best,
fergus
When I said it couldn't be simpler, I meant that the principles of a low carb diet are very straightforward. I couldn't say whether anyone else would find it simple to adapt to, but I know that I did.
You're right about the shocking statistics for obesity and diabetes. It's truly tragic that one of the safest and most successful means of significantly reducing these numbers is largely ignored, at best, or more often attacked by people and agencies who ought to be better informed on the subject.
I don't see that situation changing in the short term , so presumably those terrible numbers will have to rise still further before dietary recommendations are finally changed.
All the best,
fergus
Hi Nanoo
I am really new to this about low carbing. It was only about a week ago since I found this forum. To be honest we are still worrying that we are doing the wrong things :? :? because eating the fats feels so alien to us, especially as we have just spent the last 6 months attending Scottish Slimmers! As far is the food is concerned, I so much prefer the low carb food, the cheeses, olives, sun dried tomatoes in olive oil, being able to put salad dressings and mayonnaise on salads etc. Chocolate was never my thing anyway :shock:
After one weeks trial - this is our comments. We like the food! We don't seem to have lost any weight, but hey it's early days and maybe we've not being doing the low carb as properly as we should have (e.g. i've used cashew nuts and peanuts, only to find they are not the best source of nuts).
Even if I do not lose any weight, and I hope to :!: My BGs have drastically improved and that has to be the number 1 plus for me. Most have been between 3.4 and 7.5 - i've not had a reading above 10.5. Only the week before I was often in the teens. I have not reduced my Lantus very much, but certainly my Novorapid with meals has gone down.
At this point in time I feel highly motivated to continue. I hope it lasts, I know the time may come when I'm not so motivated - has this happened to any of you experienced low carbers out there? If so how do you get back on the wagon?
Next Wednesday I am at the clinic getting a HBA1C done, so it will be interesting to see what the result is. I'll let you know.
Orchid
ps - forgot to mention, no hypos either!
I am really new to this about low carbing. It was only about a week ago since I found this forum. To be honest we are still worrying that we are doing the wrong things :? :? because eating the fats feels so alien to us, especially as we have just spent the last 6 months attending Scottish Slimmers! As far is the food is concerned, I so much prefer the low carb food, the cheeses, olives, sun dried tomatoes in olive oil, being able to put salad dressings and mayonnaise on salads etc. Chocolate was never my thing anyway :shock:
After one weeks trial - this is our comments. We like the food! We don't seem to have lost any weight, but hey it's early days and maybe we've not being doing the low carb as properly as we should have (e.g. i've used cashew nuts and peanuts, only to find they are not the best source of nuts).
Even if I do not lose any weight, and I hope to :!: My BGs have drastically improved and that has to be the number 1 plus for me. Most have been between 3.4 and 7.5 - i've not had a reading above 10.5. Only the week before I was often in the teens. I have not reduced my Lantus very much, but certainly my Novorapid with meals has gone down.
At this point in time I feel highly motivated to continue. I hope it lasts, I know the time may come when I'm not so motivated - has this happened to any of you experienced low carbers out there? If so how do you get back on the wagon?
Next Wednesday I am at the clinic getting a HBA1C done, so it will be interesting to see what the result is. I'll let you know.
Orchid
ps - forgot to mention, no hypos either!
That's fantastic Orchid. As you say, getting the blood glucose into line is the first thing.
Next, you'll begin to see a slow, steady weight loss.
It might be too soon to notice any improvement in your HbA1c because that really takes about 3 months to come through. By the next time though, I'd predict you'll show a dramatic improvement.
As you say, as long as you don't find the delicious food too much of a sacrifice :wink: , you're on the right path now!
All the best,
fergus
Next, you'll begin to see a slow, steady weight loss.
It might be too soon to notice any improvement in your HbA1c because that really takes about 3 months to come through. By the next time though, I'd predict you'll show a dramatic improvement.
As you say, as long as you don't find the delicious food too much of a sacrifice :wink: , you're on the right path now!
All the best,
fergus
Also Fergus' bread is great since that is another one of the 5 banned things to try. I find that so far dreamfields pasta hasn't had effect on my sugars so that's a second one for me. I also found a cookie recipe I'll be trying. Atkins bars seem to be ok for me too so that's chocolate bar back in my diet (but I try and have one a couple of times per week only...) Potatoes I miss but have tried the cauli mash and it's very nice. Rice is the only thing I haven't had since I started reducing my carbs but just heard that in US there is apparently a low carb rice available so will do some research about that! So it isn't all that bad actually since you can have the meat and the gorgeous buttery and creamy sauce. I often have all sorts of veg with my meals, some carrots, leeks, cabbages, peppers, courgettes, squash, french beans and the occasional peas, sweetcorn or parsnips. None of these have had much of an effect on my sugars which are still coming down since I was only diagnosed few weeks ago. I have even had a few days with sugars staying under 5 all day so I know I will be getting there soon!
Hi Saz1,
One of the plusses about a low carb diet is that you find great alternatives. Rice is a perfect example. I used to order it with Chinese or Indian food, just as a matter of course.
I think if you ask yourself 'Would I eat this on its own because I enjoy the taste?' probably few people would say 'Yes!'. It actually doesn't really taste of much, it's just a vehicle for sauce.
Here's a great alternative to rice. Use a cheese grater to grate a cauliflower into a large frying pan. Add some oil or butter. Now stir fry on a high heat until it starts to turn a nutty brown. You can add any combination of spices (fenugreek is brilliant for curry). It's much better than rice, and has little impact on blood sugar. So good in fact that I'd happily eat it on its own.
All the best,
fergus
One of the plusses about a low carb diet is that you find great alternatives. Rice is a perfect example. I used to order it with Chinese or Indian food, just as a matter of course.
I think if you ask yourself 'Would I eat this on its own because I enjoy the taste?' probably few people would say 'Yes!'. It actually doesn't really taste of much, it's just a vehicle for sauce.
Here's a great alternative to rice. Use a cheese grater to grate a cauliflower into a large frying pan. Add some oil or butter. Now stir fry on a high heat until it starts to turn a nutty brown. You can add any combination of spices (fenugreek is brilliant for curry). It's much better than rice, and has little impact on blood sugar. So good in fact that I'd happily eat it on its own.
All the best,
fergus
Thanks for that Fergus, I will be trying it soon! Never thought cauliflower was such a super versatile vegetable! I have an absolutely disgustingly streaming cold and need all alternative comfort foods I can find so I'm sure all hints will be very helpful! I'm doing ok with my sugars, surprisingly since I heard an illness can sendthem absolutely haywire. Also my dippy self bought cloudy lemonade and had a can and a half last night and only then realised it was full fat one, promptly tested and result was 7.5 so quite pleased about that... silly me... well that teaches me to read labels properly... :roll:
Hi Saz1
For your cold - you need a lovely pot of chicken soup. Buy a ready roasted chicken, or even just a portion if its only for yourself, and strip off the meat. Heat a tablespoon of olive oil and fry a chopped onion for a few minutes, add any other veg you want (all chopped smallish), add chicken and some chicken stock (made with stock cubes will do), salt and pepper, some dried herbs (or fresh if you have them), my only secret naughty ingredient would be to add about a teaspoon of sherry - lets fact it, its going to get spread into a big pot of soup! I hope I don't get banned from the site for suggesting that :wink:
Take Care
Orchid x
For your cold - you need a lovely pot of chicken soup. Buy a ready roasted chicken, or even just a portion if its only for yourself, and strip off the meat. Heat a tablespoon of olive oil and fry a chopped onion for a few minutes, add any other veg you want (all chopped smallish), add chicken and some chicken stock (made with stock cubes will do), salt and pepper, some dried herbs (or fresh if you have them), my only secret naughty ingredient would be to add about a teaspoon of sherry - lets fact it, its going to get spread into a big pot of soup! I hope I don't get banned from the site for suggesting that :wink:
Take Care
Orchid x
Thanks for that Orchid! As it happens, I made myself a mulligatawny type soup with broccoli, cauliflower, onions, 1 carrot, half a sweet potato, curry powder and chicken stock, blended that and added a dash of coconut milk and cream and added 1/2 packet chilled chicken tikka slices and hey presto, yummy soup. I have a flask full of it next to me here at work... :wink:
