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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mbaker" data-source="post: 1999652" data-attributes="member: 256617">This is no different to Profession Tim Noakes, Gary Fettke and others.  For me this is about education.  I look forward to the day when we can get these three and perhaps 20 to 30 others, with a similar amount on the "established side" in a world debate on this topic and diet."We" you and I could consider helping these people who are not just working on our behalf but I do not think it is an overstatement to say all of humanity - they are outanding and have put themselves out there against the power of the anointed - understand they the anointed have to win, even though just eating real food mostly sorts things out.  It is difficult to mobilise our power, as I have seen when people try to start surveys.  I would be happy to support a singular body that all of these goliaths and many others represent us through, there must be 100,000's of us who cross sectionally can agree on around 80% of things, think of all of those who are especially in the states Dr patients, those on this site, diet doctor, Facebook etc groups.  I think we will have to do something as the attacks are coming from multiple directions and individuality doesn't hold a lot of water..  Truth or Scare, launched attacks on Keto a twice within a few days last week, one of the times scareing a fitness instructor off of carnivory.I am clear I don't want to "win", I just want everyone to be aware of both sides, so an informed decision can be made.I am not open to any further facts from the other side for the following reasons: I have listened  to the big fat surprise around 3 times, various books for Gary Taubes, listened to 1000's of hours of debate on both sides, read as much as I can.  I have seen that the diet heart hypothesis could not stand up to modern scrutiny, with goal posts changing several times.  I have seen enough to satisfy me that HDL and Trigs are better CVD markers than LDL, I believe what I have read about persons with lower LDL have been shown to die either just a quickly or in more numbers than those with higher LDL.  I do not believe meat, fish and dairy are the devils spawn, I think the contrary.  Frankly, I don't even think the positions are close.I have seen the results of CAC scans compared to Framingham, as highlighted by Ivor Cummins and others.  Paul Mason also has convinced me with the science.  In general I am convinced plaque build up's fix an underlying issue, and are not the cause.  I think the statin promoters can only argue that a CAC scan, which easily trumps the risk factors they rely on, doesn't see soft plaque - however is you have zero hard plaque it, is likely you don't any or much soft plaque (this alone for me shuts down their claims).  The Feldman protocol changing markers within 3 days speaks volumes about the variability of cholesterol numbers, clearly not the same as HbA1c.  On 2 common sense notes, I do not believe that our bodies would make something to kill us, second explain why indigenous so called primitive populations do not have the risk factors (no yeah buts, this for me is insurmountable fact), even in a modern context compare Masai Kenyans to SAD eating towns people as 1 example.  There is something very disingenuous about the risk factors.  My QRISK2 is 2.1 (2.0 in 2012 when I was not diabetic), I did a QRISK3 a couple of days ago and this came out at 1.9, Doctor Eric Westman mentioned this on YouTube recently.  I think LDL is marked down by the establishment as well, otherwise why would CVD risk go down on LCHF / Keto, with increased saturated fat in my case for example?  I am also satisfied that high insulin is a much bigger risk factor than LDL.  Finally LCHF / Keto interventions; on my walk today I listened to Stephen Phinney about the results of Virta studies, this had some interesting observations on CVD compared to statins, another health professional who has insurance approved services and a massive cohort has seen similar results to Virta for 10 years:[MEDIA=youtube]-ltCa513yZs[/MEDIA]</blockquote>

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