The Plagues Of Prosperity. Dr. Benjamin Bikman.

[Guzzler]

An excellent speech by Dr. Bikman covering insulin resistance. N.B At roughly the half hour mark Dr. Bikman, who is addressing an audience of fellow church members, speaks of judgemental attitudes within his community and then cites Biblical text but this speech is about Diabetes not religion.

Under 40 minutes, not technical and very, very good.

 

[JohnEGreen]

It's funny my grandson has been blatting on at me for months about how I do not eat enough protein and how as I am older my need of protein is higher exactly what the good doctor says.

It's so annoying when a whipper snapper who seems to think he knows it all turns out to be spot on.

And yet they still test for high BG not raised insulin levels it is ridiculous.

 

[Guzzler]

It's funny my grandson has been blatting on at me for months about how I do not eat enough protein and how as I am older my need of protein is higher exactly what the good doctor says.

It's so annoying when a whipper snapper who seems to think he knows it all turns out to be spot on.

And yet they still test for high BG not raised insulin levels it is ridiculous.

Couldn't agree more. (On the protein and the whippersnappers!).

 

[kokhongw]

And yet they still test for high BG not raised insulin levels it is ridiculous.

I suspect that is because "they" do not have a better tool for lowering and normalizing insulin than what nature has provided for free...fasting.

Plus if "they" shift the focus to lowering insulin, what is that going to do to the insulin business that is projected to grow to $39B by 2020...
https://www.marketsandmarkets.com/PressReleases/human-insulin.asp

The Global Human Insulin Market Is Poised to reach ~USD 39.13 Billion by 2020, growing at a CAGR of 8.1% from 2015 to 2020 and studies the global human insulin market over the forecast period of 2015 to 2020.

And this
https://marketrealist.com/2016/10/novo-nordisk-expected-witness-strong-growth-insulin-segment-2016

https://marketrealist.com/2016/09/novo-nordisk-continues-leader-global-insulin-market-2016

There WILL continue to be lots of vested interest resistance to reframing T2D as a late stage condition of high insulin levels. This context will effectively render most glucose lowering agents to be rather inconsequential.

 

[JohnEGreen]

@kokhongw You of course, are I feel, correct it's all about wealth not health.

 

[DavidGrahamJones]

An excellent speech by Dr. Bikman

Very good indeed. Even though I eat less than 50gms carb a day, it re-enforced my determination. I have no evidence but it also reminded me that it would seem some people have a much greater tolerance of carbs. If I can get my wife, who can't have a meal without carbs (her dietary influence early in our marriage could easily be part of my problem), to have her Insulin resistance and insulin levels tested, the results may be more telling than a recent HbA1c she had as part of a Well Woman medical check up.

It also makes me think (dangerous I know) that when people talk about "diabetes reversal" based on an HbA1c, they're not looking at the right thing. Insulin Resistance and Insulin production would be more of an indication, Just an opinion.

 

[Guzzler]

Very good indeed. Even though I eat less than 50gms carb a day, it re-enforced my determination. I have no evidence but it also reminded me that it would seem some people have a much greater tolerance of carbs. If I can get my wife, who can't have a meal without carbs (her dietary influence early in our marriage could easily be part of my problem), to have her Insulin resistance and insulin levels tested, the results may be more telling than a recent HbA1c she had as part of a Well Woman medical check up.

It also makes me think (dangerous I know) that when people talk about "diabetes reversal" based on an HbA1c, they're not looking at the right thing. Insulin Resistance and Insulin production would be more of an indication, Just an opinion.

This is why I get irritated when people use the phrases 'Diabetes gone' or 'Diabetes free'.

 

[Mr_Pot]

A really good lecture, well worth watching.
I was amazed however that a person with such a logical, evidence based approach could hold a strong religious conviction where there is no evidence at all.

 

[JohnEGreen]

A really good lecture, well worth watching.
I was amazed however that a person with such a logical, evidence based approach could hold a strong religious conviction where there is no evidence at all.

You could try reading Quantum Physics and Theology: An Unexpected Kinship by John Polkinghorne professor of mathematical physics at the University of Cambridge from 1968 to 1979 and Anglican priest.

And then there is John D Barrow cosmologist, theoretical physicist, and mathematician. Most recently, he served as Gresham Professor of Geometry at Gresham College from 2008 to 2011, recipient of the 2006 Templeton Prize for "Progress Toward Research or Discoveries about Spiritual Realities.

 

[rhubarb73]

Very good speaker.
My weight, FBG and Hba1C are all going in right direction but I know I am still insulin resistant- I can almost feel it when I run. I struggle for athletic rhythm and strength I had 2 or 3 years ago. I know this will take longer to fix and the prof is right to talk about patience.
I didn’t really follow the last 10 minutes- I think he was saying that religious doctrine can get in the way of good decision making if you let it, so don’t let it: but he was saying it very politely given he wanted to get out of there alive.

 

[Mr_Pot]

You could try reading Quantum Physics and Theology: An Unexpected Kinship by John Polkinghorne professor of mathematical physics at the University of Cambridge from 1968 to 1979 and Anglican priest.

And then there is John D Barrow cosmologist, theoretical physicist, and mathematician. Most recently, he served as Gresham Professor of Geometry at Gresham College from 2008 to 2011, recipient of the 2006 Templeton Prize for "Progress Toward Research or Discoveries about Spiritual Realities.

In return I would recommend God Is Not Great by Christopher Hitchens.

"We are all atheists, some of us just believe in fewer gods than others".

 

[JohnEGreen]

Well I read that some while ago you were the one who declared a lack of understanding I however spent twenty years as an an avid atheist so understand quite well your view point though I no longer share it I was trying to give you a means of attaining enlightenment of a point of view you professed to not understanding. I am not interesting in getting into theological arguments I just think that it's better to understand some ones belief or view point before belittling it.

 

[Mr_Pot]

Well I read that some while ago you were the one who declared a lack of understanding I however spent twenty years as an an avid atheist so understand quite well your view point though I no longer share it I was trying to give you a means of attaining enlightenment of a point of view you professed to not understanding. I am not interesting in getting into theological arguments I just think that it's better to understand some ones belief or view point before belittling it.

I didn't say I wasn't going to follow up on your suggested reading and I don't think I said anything that was belittling. I suspect I will be accused of derailing the thread if I say any more.

 

[rhubarb73]

I think the above little discussion highlights the fact that the religious background to the lecture is a little distracting (whatever your faith), which is a shame because the substance of the first 30 minutes is compelling and brilliantly delivered.

 

[Bluetit1802]

Thanks @Guzzler for posting this brilliant lecture. He is spot on.

 

[Guzzler]

I think the above little discussion highlights the fact that the religious background to the lecture is a little distracting (whatever your faith), which is a shame because the substance of the first 30 minutes is compelling and brilliantly delivered.

The gentleman is addressing an audience of his peers in the church spreading his message within his church community. Dr. Bikman's presentations for Low Carb Breck and Low Carb Down Under as well as stand alone lectures are available on youtube and he does not mention his Christian faith at all in those. I was impressed by this fact because I am of the opinion that religious faith is a very personal matter so had he been evangelising his faith alongside his knowlecge and expertise in metabolic dysfunction I would not have chosen to listen.
I viewed this speech for the first time yesterday and was unsure whether to share it here but decided to go ahead because the speech is a very good, clear and succinct message. I did put in a 'warning' about religious content in the heading so that members could decide for themselves if they wished to view it.

 

[rhubarb73]

I viewed this speech for the first time yesterday and was unsure whether to share it here but decided to go ahead because the speech is a very good, clear and succinct message. I did put in a 'warning' about religious content in the heading so that members could decide for themselves if they wished to view it.

You did the right thing sharing it because it is very good. Thank you. I will recommend it to others outside of this forum. He also saves the Mormon stuff to the end so you can switch off then if it’s not your cup of tea.

 

[rhubarb73]

This has also got me thinking....
Is someone who sells diabetes medication solely to the Church of the Latter Day Saints known as a “Mormon Metformin Monger” ?


(Just a little joke - no offence intended)

 

[JohnEGreen]

I didn't say I wasn't going to follow up on your suggested reading and I don't think I said anything that was belittling. I suspect I will be accused of derailing the thread if I say any more.

Fair enough wasn't seeking an argument, it was just I thought you inferred that a scientific logical mind should or could not hold religious views that they were somehow incompatible or it seemed that way to me.

 

[JohnEGreen]

The gentleman is addressing an audience of his peers in the church spreading his message within his church community. Dr. Bikman's presentations for Low Carb Breck and Low Carb Down Under as well as stand alone lectures are available on youtube and he does not mention his Christian faith at all in those. I was impressed by this fact because I am of the opinion that religious faith is a very personal matter so had he been evangelising his faith alongside his knowlecge and expertise in metabolic dysfunction I would not have chosen to listen.
I viewed this speech for the first time yesterday and was unsure whether to share it here but decided to go ahead because the speech is a very good, clear and succinct message. I did put in a 'warning' about religious content in the heading so that members could decide for themselves if they wished to view it.

His science is good and he was asking his audience to keep an open mind despite their religious views and interpretations of their scriptures. A very informative lecture and well worth viewing thanks for the posting .