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The Polymeal -" Redundant cardiologists could be retrained as Polymeal chefs and wine advisers."

CherryAA

CherryAA

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Type of diabetes
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I came across this research today . The concept being the prescription of a Poly meal designed to deliver the correct nutrients using foods that analysis had shown to be good for heart risk . I did check the date thinking it might be an April fool joke.

http://www.bmj.com/content/329/7480/1447

and

https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/Food_for_thought_The_polymeal

Intrigued as to how this would play out for someone considering drugs for heart disease who already had diabetes I stuck it in cronmeter.

I put salmon, dark chocolate, almonds, garlic and red wine into cronometer and using 100g each of spinach, cauliflower, brussel sprouts and red pepper. I get the following figures
1450 calories, 94% of the entire daily nutrients
60g protein, 58g carb 88g fats or % Protein 16% carbs 25% ,fats 53% an alcohol 7%

of the fats 88 it delivers 14g poly unsaturated, 38 mono unsaturated and 29 saturated mainly through the chocolate

Thus this diet is pretty close to be LCHF without any actual oils, for those bothered about high fat consumption.

Interesting research ! thought people might be interested !
 
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CherryAA said:
Thus this diet is pretty close to be LCHF without any actual oils, for those bothered about high fat consumption.
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Then one could say the converse is true that LCHF or medium fat, is pretty close to the Polymeal but with more fat..

Of course it is a little out of date as cardio vascular disease is no longer the predominant cause of death Alzheimer's disease is.
 
JohnEGreen said:
Then one could say the converse is true that LCHF or medium fat, is pretty close to the Polymeal but with more fat..

Of course it is a little out of date as cardio vascular disease is no longer the predominant cause of death Alzheimer's disease is.
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Yep, indeed add in a bit of oil for cooking the various veggies to get the most out of them - switch up the nuts a bit for variety and that pretty much describes my current diet on many days, though I also switch out the fish for meat !
 
JohnEGreen said:
cardio vascular disease is no longer the predominant cause of death Alzheimer's disease is.
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Source: NHS

The Alzheimer's Association notes that Alzheimer's disease is the sixth leading cause of death in the United States. ... Average life expectancy for people living with Alzheimer's is four to seven years after diagnosis, although some people may live as much as 20 years or more.26 Aug 2016 Not sure how that translates to the UK.

Alzheimer's undoubtedly shortens people's lives but I have a feeling it's not what goes down on the death certificate because it's not the actual cause.
 
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Dementia and Alzheimer disease has replaced ischaemic heart diseases as the leading cause of death in England and Wales, accounting for 11.6% of all deaths registered in 2015.

Ischaemic heart diseases was the second leading cause of death in England and Wales, with 11.5% of all deaths registered in 2015.

For males, ischaemic heart diseases was the leading cause of death accounting for 14.3% of all male deaths in 2015, compared with 14.8% in 2014.

For females, the leading cause of death was dementia and Alzheimer disease accounting for 15.2% of all female deaths, up from 13.4% in 2014."

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...eathsregisteredinenglandandwalesseriesdr/2015

Ok I should have said in England and Wales and not applied that globally my parochial nature coming to the for.
 
Alzheimer's is due to insulin resistance and med bodies want it named type3 IR.
Insulin resistance causing problems in the brain.

I'm convinced type2 diabetes should be renamed to IR affecting the liver, more than the pancreas.

IR
Type1 affects pancreas resulting in insulin replacement
Type2 affects liver and muscles?
Type3 affects brain?

Steriod induced diabetes
Type4 affects hormones?

Or something like this?
 
Perhaps one day almost everything will be classed as a type of insulin resistance affecting something or other - where the particular thing that gets you is a function of precise genetics and additional lifestyle choices !

I can't pretend to know much about the human body - are there actually any "blood free" zones that work entirely independently of blood supply ? or is it fair to say that your blood and thus the sugar in it and the level of circulating insulin get everywhere?
 
CherryAA said:
Perhaps one day almost everything will be classed as a type of insulin resistance affecting something or other - where the particular thing that gets you is a function of precise genetics and additional lifestyle choices !

I can't pretend to know much about the human body - are there actually any "blood free" zones that work entirely independently of blood supply ? or is it fair to say that your blood and thus the sugar in it and the level of circulating insulin get everywhere?
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Yes. Unless you use metformin.
Metformin for PCOS
Metformin for Alzheimer's
Metformin for gut and liver assistance
Metformin for the heart?
Metformin for stomach and bowel (slow digestion)

Once they know why the side affects of metformin assist IR then more drugs or natural intervention can progress into a cure.
Liver blocking for me gets me half way into mimicking metformin, for me.
Metformin changes my tummy fat structure, for me so it can be burnt off in exercise. (When I can walk or cycle).

Only drug I know which blocks blood circulation is thalidomide but only used now to stop cancer spreading. Maybe stop glucose damage to eyes? Needs developing, if safe.
To save every diabetics sights would be a part miracle eh?
 
ok so basically its a fair assumption that if your blood glucose is too high in the blood you can measure , its too high in very nook and cranny and vital organ you possess and if you can get rid of it by expelling it from the body somehow as opposed to moving it about, then that is probably a pretty good thing in terms of any ailments anywhere. I know for me numerous tiny things have got better since I got the blood sugar down - most of them I had no idea I was even suffering from!
 
CherryAA said:
ok so basically its a fair assumption that if your blood glucose is too high in the blood you can measure , its too high in very nook and cranny and vital organ you possess and if you can get rid of it by expelling it from the body somehow as opposed to moving it about, then that is probably a pretty good thing in terms of any ailments anywhere. I know for me numerous tiny things have got better since I got the blood sugar down - most of them I had no idea I was even suffering from!
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Definitely.
How none diabetics take these things for granted!
I often wonder if my body thinks glucose in my blood is normal as at 6yr old I remember symptoms. How earlier than that have I have IR. In the womb? Mum has fatty liver but horrendeous arthritis but no diabetes. If she could be tested for IR then I'd be very very interested.
So placenta to baby, baby to grandchildren. The more genetics eventually the whole human race will have it. Unless a cure not just metformin or exercise to keep it at bay.
I'm soooo thankful for the london trials on metformin for PCOS that I was priviledged to have been a part of in the 90s. (Lewisham hospital).
Professor had me off metformin in IVF as not tested safety in pregnancy then.
Metformin safe in pregnancy now thou.

What if!!!

Yes I guess a blood filtering mechanism needed for no IR I guess.
Many diseases need a one too!
 
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