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There are so many things wrong with the messaging around diabetes and how it is currently treated. Pity the poor folk who don't question what they're told. Guys, come along to the GBdoc Conference - there is going to be a media partner there filming people's views/concerns. Get your voice heard! http://www.gbdoc.co.uk/gbdoc/Conference_2015.html
That sounds so much like my appointment on Tuesday. How bazaar.I have just returned from an appointment with a dietician, after being referred by my GP.
I thought we got off to a good start when I spotted a Carbs & Cals book on her desk and commented on it. She asked if I knew it and I replied that I had a copy.
She asked to see my daily blood monitoring diary and working front to back, commented that my bs were "perfect" and asked to show my book to the student sitting in. I said I was struggling to get my fasting bloods down but she said they were relative to my bedtime ones and that my risk of complications with my readings was "nil". I queried her and she confirmed - NIL risk of complications. She said I was motivated and had achieved some excellent readings in a short time. I said this was because I followed LCHF and was now feeling 100% well again and my energy had been restored.
Then came the blow. She said she didn't approve an Atkins type diet in the long term and wanted me to start reintroducing carbs into my diet. Long term LCHF carried risks to the bowel and we need more roughage and fibre. I asked why I should add carbs when they spiked my bs. She said spikes were fine. Healthy folk and diabetic folks get spikes. The secret was to exercise immediately after taking carbs to avoid the spikes. She recommended 30g of carbs each meal.
I said I wasn't happy reintroducing carbs into my diet, but she said I would be fine if I dropped the cream and cheese from my diet..... I am to have porridge made with milk for breakfast, and drop the full fat yoghurt, 2 Ryvita for lunch and basmati or wild rice occasionally with my main meal.
She had already explained why Forxiga wasn't prescribed to me, because I wasn't eating enough carbs, therefore Forxiga wouldn't be effective as it works by breaking down the sugars and expelling them. My intake of sugars wasn't enough to warrant Forxiga and my BMI wasn't high enough either but she could prescribe it if my GP wouldn't.
So as a trade off I agreed to try more carbs if she would prescribe ForxigaShe agreed to write to my GP recommending Forxiga. Result!
So on the way home, I stopped at the shop and bought a packet of Ryvita. 3.5 hours after eating 2, spread with butter and accompanied by sardines in brine and a large leafy salad I am still waiting for my bs to drop from 9.9.............
I join the ranks of the despairing.....
How the heck did we survive as a species before we started farming wheat and rye? I suppose everyone got bowel cancer after they had already reproduced.I have just returned from an appointment with a dietician, after being referred by my GP.
I thought we got off to a good start when I spotted a Carbs & Cals book on her desk and commented on it. She asked if I knew it and I replied that I had a copy.
She asked to see my daily blood monitoring diary and working front to back, commented that my bs were "perfect" and asked to show my book to the student sitting in. I said I was struggling to get my fasting bloods down but she said they were relative to my bedtime ones and that my risk of complications with my readings was "nil". I queried her and she confirmed - NIL risk of complications. She said I was motivated and had achieved some excellent readings in a short time. I said this was because I followed LCHF and was now feeling 100% well again and my energy had been restored.
Then came the blow. She said she didn't approve an Atkins type diet in the long term and wanted me to start reintroducing carbs into my diet. Long term LCHF carried risks to the bowel and we need more roughage and fibre. I asked why I should add carbs when they spiked my bs. She said spikes were fine. Healthy folk and diabetic folks get spikes. The secret was to exercise immediately after taking carbs to avoid the spikes. She recommended 30g of carbs each meal.
I said I wasn't happy reintroducing carbs into my diet, but she said I would be fine if I dropped the cream and cheese from my diet..... I am to have porridge made with milk for breakfast, and drop the full fat yoghurt, 2 Ryvita for lunch and basmati or wild rice occasionally with my main meal.
She had already explained why Forxiga wasn't prescribed to me, because I wasn't eating enough carbs, therefore Forxiga wouldn't be effective as it works by breaking down the sugars and expelling them. My intake of sugars wasn't enough to warrant Forxiga and my BMI wasn't high enough either but she could prescribe it if my GP wouldn't.
So as a trade off I agreed to try more carbs if she would prescribe ForxigaShe agreed to write to my GP recommending Forxiga. Result!
So on the way home, I stopped at the shop and bought a packet of Ryvita. 3.5 hours after eating 2, spread with butter and accompanied by sardines in brine and a large leafy salad I am still waiting for my bs to drop from 9.9.............
I join the ranks of the despairing.....
Looks like she studied for 4 years and learned s0d all !...........................and this is what I got from my dietician on Tuesday 3rd Feb. Notice it is handwritten by an NHS Dietician who in her words "has studied diabetes for 4 yrs in college"..................................
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I,Adrian, I live in Pendle, looks like there no hope for us then. ;-)
I'm in Rochdale. We could have a party........................the menu should be interestingI,
I'm not too far then (Rossendale)!
But Robin, dust thou not live in Nottingham or hast thou shacked up with the fair Maid Marian. Pray tell, young Robin as mine thoughts are a quiver with intrigue. View attachment 11550
well zero is still within her advice of up to 3...........................and this is what I got from my dietician on Tuesday 3rd Feb. Notice it is handwritten by an NHS Dietician who in her words "has studied diabetes for 4 yrs in college"..................................
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What she forgot to write on here but did mention was, I should have upto 3 slices of bread per day, but not necessarily with the same meal.
saves on the pensionIt's ok .. She is just trying to kill you ... Unless she spent her 4 years in college studying creative writing
LOL We figured at least it's the middle of the country. If you join the Facebook group people are sharing lifts, and helping each other with accommodation etc.Nottingham is just too far away.
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I've not read this post properly but I have just been on diabetes uk and on the type 2 section and found this....
No food is out of bounds but food choices are an important part of your diabetes management, whether you have Type 1, Type 2 or another type of diabetes.
Eating a balanced diet – that is fruit and vegetables, starchy foods, non-dairy sources of protein and dairy – is something we should all try to do. It’s fine to have a treat every now and again but the foods you choose are an important part of your diabetes treatment, along with medication, testing and being active.
This information is a starting point to help you eat well when you have diabetes. You should also be referred to a registered dietitian for specific information tailored to your needs. For inspiration on fresh culinary ideas, we have over 250 online recipes to choose from. All our calorie-counted dishes have been adapted, tasted and nutritionally analysed for Diabetes UK
So it doesn't really say that you can eat anything.....
You're not alone. I have just tried my dieticians recommendations of 4-6 egg sized potatoes, some cold meat and shredded lettuce. Before the meal 6.2, 2 hrs later 9.5 and 3 hrs 12.4.........................
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I will just have to modify and moderate the next 2 meals to reduce that figure down to a normal 5.0 - 6.6 reading in the morning. Good job I know how, init.Eeek! What idiots!
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