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This is what diabetes uk tell T2 diabetics via their website...

adrian207 said:
...........................and this is what I got from my dietician on Tuesday 3rd Feb. Notice it is handwritten by an NHS Dietician who in her words "has studied diabetes for 4 yrs in college"..................................
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It's ok .. She is just trying to kill you ... Unless she spent her 4 years in college studying creative writing ;)
 
I saw the dietician about 2 years ago. At that time I was working, a lot of my lunches were, baked potato, baked beans and cheese. I took 3 pieces of fruit to work. Dinner, home made curry or Chinese with quorn, I was eating loads of fresh fruit and veg. Drink, black coffee, if I have milk it was skimmed. Yes i think i was drinking too much wine, but the stress from work... Plus i felt i was eating too much cheese.

The advice i was given was, ( your love this ) maybe consider having a small banana instead of a large one for your mid morning break.

Found this site 26th January. Now trying the lchf thing. Have purchased my meter. I am Type 2, have been for 5 plus years.
The nurse on 27 Jan. Said no to a meter, but she is preferring me to podiatrist because of the burning in my foot that is keeping me awake at night.
 
I kinda get where they are coming from.
I eat anything and everything and I've always told myself nothing is off limits.

That helps to keep me well controlled I believe.

I love bananas and still have one on rare occasions usually before the gym.

Overall my consumption of daily carbs is less than 50g per day usually. I've never eaten better (healthier) than I do now.
 
adrian207 said:
...........................and this is what I got from my dietician on Tuesday 3rd Feb. Notice it is handwritten by an NHS Dietician who in her words "has studied diabetes for 4 yrs in college"..................................
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What she forgot to write on here but did mention was, I should have upto 3 slices of bread per day, but not necessarily with the same meal.
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Adrian, I live in Pendle, looks like there no hope for us then. ;-)
 
Daphne917 said:
When I was first diagnosed and saw the dietitian I mentioned that I presumed I would no longer be able to eat as much fruit, particularly grapes and bananas, as I used to. I was pleased when she told me that I could still eat them which I did - in fact I made sure I had the govt recommended 5 portions a day
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My father, who died in 1989, was a steroid (prescribed as part of his palliative care) induced diabetic knew eating bananas and grapes were not sensible back then! He was a sensible man, who self-tested, although I'm pretty certain it was NHS supported, but it was blood on strips a bit like Ketostix.

Some changes take longer than others, eh?
 
I honestly believe they do want your levels to remain high enough that you need meds. The business of diabetes is huge, £billions worldwide.
 
VinnyJames said:
I kinda get where they are coming from.
I eat anything and everything and I've always told myself nothing is off limits.

That helps to keep me well controlled I believe.

I love bananas and still have one on rare occasions usually before the gym.

Overall my consumption of daily carbs is less than 50g per day usually. I've never eaten better (healthier) than I do now.
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But at up to 50g a day you are not eating what DUK is telling you to. OK so you incorporate rice, bread, spuds, pasta or whatever, but your portions must be tiny or you would exceed your 50g.
 
dannyw said:
I honestly believe they do want your levels to remain high enough that you need meds. The business of diabetes is huge, £billions worldwide.
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I sometimes read one of my former GP's Twitter feed- he is very anti Big pharma led intervention medicine and was recently commenting on the drive to identify dementia patients in care homes as yet another initiative to line drug companies' pockets. Similarly he thinks that the drive to diagnose pre diabetes has less to do with patient care and more to do with finding new markets for diabetic drugs.
 
VinnyJames said:
I kinda get where they are coming from.
I eat anything and everything and I've always told myself nothing is off limits.

That helps to keep me well controlled I believe.

I love bananas and still have one on rare occasions usually before the gym.

Overall my consumption of daily carbs is less than 50g per day usually. I've never eaten better (healthier) than I do now.
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That's fine but you keep to 50g carbs per day and presumably burn off the banana in the gym - DUK fail to make any such link to low carbing.
 
dannyw said:
I honestly believe they do want your levels to remain high enough that you need meds. The business of diabetes is huge, £billions worldwide.
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And it dovetails nicely with increasing pension deficit; this way you get to help pharmaceutical companies until you are about 60 when you die from preventable causes; no pension payouts for you. Everyone's a winner. Apart from you that is. But look on the bright side!
 
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AndBreathe said:
My father, who died in 1989, was a steroid (prescribed as part of his palliative care) induced diabetic knew eating bananas and grapes were not sensible back then! He was a sensible man, who self-tested, although I'm pretty certain it was NHS supported, but it was blood on strips a bit like Ketostix.

Some changes take longer than others, eh?
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My mother was type 2, was on injections, she had to put the syringe into a saucepan and boil it.

Sister died 2 years ago from cancer, also tye 2 plus injection. She never got to grips with her bs levels, mostly high. Hypos late at night, but hadn't eaten since lunch time.

Brother type 2, variou tablets, not metformin. Had a very big heart opp 4 years ago, and is doing very well.

So, time I started being good. ;-)
 
Bluetit1802 said:
But at up to 50g a day you are not eating what DUK is telling you to. OK so you incorporate rice, bread, spuds, pasta or whatever, but your portions must be tiny or you would exceed your 50g.
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But he has mentioned going to the Gym. By going to the gym that would burn off a lot of the calories to start with and as we know exercising does reduce B S levels, so yeah I can see where eat what you want can be done as long as you are prepared to work it off. I myself hate the idea of going to gyms if the sole purpose is to remove the good stuff that I've just put in. Not only that, there are a lot of people with diabetes that would love to be able to eat what they like and in any quantity but can't or won't for some reason go to the gym.
 
the_anticarb said:
Interestingly there is a section on coeliac (probably spelt that wrong) where it says the only treatment is to avoid gluten. So they do say that coeliacs can't eat gluten!
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That's right, because If I ate gluten/.wheat/barley/rye/oats it would make me very ill ( vomiting, feeling very sick/ill and excruciating stomach pains + other symptoms)

Why don't they say for type 2's, a small amount of carbs which could include?? or if you do eat certain carbs ( these would be highlighted) there is a high chance your BS will be elevated ??

RRB :)
 
adrian207 said:
But he has mentioned going to the Gym. By going to the gym that would burn off a lot of the calories to start with and as we know exercising does reduce B S levels, so yeah I can see where eat what you want can be done as long as you are prepared to work it off. I myself hate the idea of going to gyms if the sole purpose is to remove the good stuff that I've just put in. Not only that, there are a lot of people with diabetes that would love to be able to eat what they like and in any quantity but can't or won't for some reason go to the gym.
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Yes, I agree his exercise is what is keeping his BS down after a banana or similar, but he still only eats up to 50g carbs. DUK is suggesting masses more than 50g. as it says eat anything you like (including jam), so he isn't following their advice any more than the rest of us.
 
:banghead: There are so many things wrong with the messaging around diabetes and how it is currently treated. Pity the poor folk who don't question what they're told. Guys, come along to the GBdoc Conference - there is going to be a media partner there filming people's views/concerns. Get your voice heard! http://www.gbdoc.co.uk/gbdoc/Conference_2015.html
 
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