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<blockquote data-quote="Unbeliever" data-source="post: 248185" data-attributes="member: 30851"><p>I agree hat it is ot all about diet and that HCPs cannot really recommend one die more tha another in any event as we all know that each of us has to find our own way.</p><p></p><p>When I was first diagnosed I was underweight and had always been so. I had followed a GI diet for years but it was obviously no longer enough.</p><p>That Practice had a doctor with special responsibility for diabetes, He actually mentioned the GI diet o me but when I told him I already used it he had no further suggesion to make. except to comment that it was going to be difficult to ensure that I had enough to eat. I didnt understand that at the time but it is now obvitous to me that this was a reference to carbs.</p><p>That doctor obviously knew a great deal about diabetes but did not believe that patients should be made privy to his knowledge.</p><p></p><p>At that time and again now here appears to be a definite movement agains patients trying to take responsibility for the management of their own diabetes,. This is strange in a period where resources are limited and Drs think they are overworked. Surely it would make sense to give patients the tools and information to help themselves?</p><p></p><p>I do not think the NHS should recommend any particular diet but just tell patients how others cope with the condition.</p><p>What could be the harm in telling people about the GI diet , reducing portion size and reducing carbs? They could be told that these measures or a combination of them can help to control the condition but warned not to do any of these things to excess </p><p>and not all together immediately but to take thngs slowly and see what works for them ,as this condition is for life?</p><p></p><p>I know what would be wrong with that approach. It would not tick all the right boxes in the right order. Heaven forefend that diabetics should be reated as individuals.!</p><p></p><p>That is the real problem. This is a complicated disease and probably, in many cases an umbrella term for many different conditions and disorders, Until this is recognised and admitted by the NHS I don't suppose things will or can improve.</p><p></p><p>Catherine was quite correct in her comments about T2s having been older people until quite recently and I am sure this fact is at the root of many of the current problems. The enormous rise in the numbers being diagnosed brings many problems but it will also force many improvements also. In tthe meantime we are stuck with all sorts of anomalies and it would be good if we could find a "Voice"</p><p></p><p>I think it is a great pity that these discussions have to become personal whe we are all basically on the same side. We can surely disagree without personal abuse. We need people to be able to state their opinions even if those opinions are not popular. Makes for a more interesting discussion. for one thing. </p><p>It is a great piy when anyone feels offended or personally attacked.</p><p></p><p>I am paricularly referring to catherinecherub and noblehead here. Both have been stalwarts of tthis forum for a long time and many posters including myself owe them a great deal. Surely we can all respect each other and discuss things civilly?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Unbeliever, post: 248185, member: 30851"] I agree hat it is ot all about diet and that HCPs cannot really recommend one die more tha another in any event as we all know that each of us has to find our own way. When I was first diagnosed I was underweight and had always been so. I had followed a GI diet for years but it was obviously no longer enough. That Practice had a doctor with special responsibility for diabetes, He actually mentioned the GI diet o me but when I told him I already used it he had no further suggesion to make. except to comment that it was going to be difficult to ensure that I had enough to eat. I didnt understand that at the time but it is now obvitous to me that this was a reference to carbs. That doctor obviously knew a great deal about diabetes but did not believe that patients should be made privy to his knowledge. At that time and again now here appears to be a definite movement agains patients trying to take responsibility for the management of their own diabetes,. This is strange in a period where resources are limited and Drs think they are overworked. Surely it would make sense to give patients the tools and information to help themselves? I do not think the NHS should recommend any particular diet but just tell patients how others cope with the condition. What could be the harm in telling people about the GI diet , reducing portion size and reducing carbs? They could be told that these measures or a combination of them can help to control the condition but warned not to do any of these things to excess and not all together immediately but to take thngs slowly and see what works for them ,as this condition is for life? I know what would be wrong with that approach. It would not tick all the right boxes in the right order. Heaven forefend that diabetics should be reated as individuals.! That is the real problem. This is a complicated disease and probably, in many cases an umbrella term for many different conditions and disorders, Until this is recognised and admitted by the NHS I don't suppose things will or can improve. Catherine was quite correct in her comments about T2s having been older people until quite recently and I am sure this fact is at the root of many of the current problems. The enormous rise in the numbers being diagnosed brings many problems but it will also force many improvements also. In tthe meantime we are stuck with all sorts of anomalies and it would be good if we could find a "Voice" I think it is a great pity that these discussions have to become personal whe we are all basically on the same side. We can surely disagree without personal abuse. We need people to be able to state their opinions even if those opinions are not popular. Makes for a more interesting discussion. for one thing. It is a great piy when anyone feels offended or personally attacked. I am paricularly referring to catherinecherub and noblehead here. Both have been stalwarts of tthis forum for a long time and many posters including myself owe them a great deal. Surely we can all respect each other and discuss things civilly? [/QUOTE]
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