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To carb or not to carb?

Lin@50

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Help me out here please - if I eat veg or salad and protein my sugars shoot for the stars, however if I add carbs (good ones not white ones) then my sugars stay stable, so I have to carb. If I just eat protein we are back to star shooting. Everything I read says cut down on carbs, I have spent the last 20 odd years not eating carbs and now I am told my body is going into fasting mode therefore high sugar levels. Flip this is so confusing can anyone clarify for me? Please!
 
I think you have your answer - follow what your meter tells you to eat. It won't lie to you and as long as your BG levels remain within the target range you've set for yourself, then problem solved.
 
Thanks Indy, it's really hard going from no carbs to having to eat carbs and then trying to suss out good from bad. Went out and had sushi oops double digits, I guess it's only sashimi from now on - clearly not thinking properly, am such an idiot!
 
Just wondered what you mean by not having eaten any carbs at all for years so what do you eat then as practically everything except possible meat and fish has some carbs
 
Hiya AnnieC, when I say no carbs I mean no rice, pasta, potato, bread etc, mostly been living on salads and vegetables which although have minimal carbs, it seems it's not enuff!
 
Help me out here please - if I eat veg or salad and protein my sugars shoot for the stars, however if I add carbs (good ones not white ones) then my sugars stay stable, so I have to carb. If I just eat protein we are back to star shooting. Everything I read says cut down on carbs, I have spent the last 20 odd years not eating carbs and now I am told my body is going into fasting mode therefore high sugar levels. Flip this is so confusing can anyone clarify for me? Please!
Hello there.

Could I ask you what "stay stable" and "shoot for the stars" means, in terms of your readings?

Whilst I agree that we should be guided by our meters (amongst other things) relating to how we eat, if you are going into "fasting mode", perhaps you need to increase your calories, rather than necessarily by adding carbs. I'm not a hard core low carber, but there is no doubt in my mind, that limiting carbs has been pivotal, along with losing any excess poundage, to my diabetes control. Another view might be to increase the fat element of your diet? I don't necessarily mean bullet-proof coffee, or spearing butter on cheese, but maybe adding a knob of butter to your steamed vegetables, or having a few peanuts from time to time.
 
Lin, I am not an expert on this. But if your 'fasting mode' is in fact a kind of 'starvation mode' (too few calories), I have read that your body will try to help you out - like in: "this person is getting too few calories, we will make a few liver dumps to get the glucose level up"!

Also, a certain percentage of protein will convert into carbs. Can't remember the percentage now - but I remember how surprised I was about this fact - rather high, though.

Have you considered adding some fats to your diet? Yes, yes, I know that the fat scare has been around for several decades. And I didn't feel comfortable about suddenly to freely eat butter and full cream with everything. However, I went from bad cholesterol numbers to numbers to dream about (and didn't gain weight).

annelise
 
It's complicated isn't it? After years of eating a mixed diet and not having to think about it too much, I've just been diagnosed with type 2 and am very confused as to what constitutes 'good' for me. The nurse recommended a book called Carbs and Cals which I've ordered but I'm not sure what I'm meant to be looking for. I've switched to porridge with dried fruit for breakfast, I usually have a light lunch of salad or a sandwich, and a larger meal in the evening which is meat or fish - last night I made a vegetable curry with basmati rice. I've cut down on snacks of any type without much difficulty and am eating a couple of pieces of fresh fruit a day. Vegetables are no problem - can't get enough really. I love cheese but have reduced this over the last year anyway, along with anything that has a lot of sugar or salt - always choosing foods that are either unadulterated or lower in the nasties. Don't eat a lot of pasta these days, and I'm a very moderate drinker - less than a bottle of wine a week, and 3-4 pints of beer a week at most. Haven't touched spirits since I was diagnosed. No idea if this is doing me any good as I feel no different. I wasn't ill to begin with and I'm wondering what the benefits of this will be and if I'll notice them.
 
Sadly a.lot of those foods are probably doing you no good at all- the rice, dried fruit , porridge and bread are all carb heavy and get converted to sugar by the body . The book the DN recommended is good as it shows in pictorial form how much you get fir your carb buck. The NHS continue to advocate carbs for diabetics even in face of mounting evidence that they aren't great for any of us, let alone diabetics. Try looking at the diet dictir website for tips on a better duet.many of us on here are lo carbing and find that this helps stabilise levels. How much fat you eat will depend on your own preference - I don't high fat but tend to eat moderate amounts of it , use olive oil instead of butter, but that is up to you. Do you have a meter as that is the only way to know what you can eat - you might be ok with some bread or rice , but without a meter you'll never know.
 
Hello there.

Could I ask you what "stay stable" and "shoot for the stars" means, in terms of your readings?

Whilst I agree that we should be guided by our meters (amongst other things) relating to how we eat, if you are going into "fasting mode", perhaps you need to increase your calories, rather than necessarily by adding carbs. I'm not a hard core low carber, but there is no doubt in my mind, that limiting carbs has been pivotal, along with losing any excess poundage, to my diabetes control. Another view might be to increase the fat element of your diet? I don't necessarily mean bullet-proof coffee, or spearing butter on cheese, but maybe adding a knob of butter to your steamed vegetables, or having a few peanuts from time to time.

Thank you, I'm breathing, sorry couldn't resist!

Stay stable - means my sugars sit around 6 with no high spikes, I,e like a rolling wave.
Shoot for the stars - means it's up in the teens, double digit stuff, getting there rather quickly and taking forever to subside.

I've been keeping a diary and trying different foods but mostly what I have noticed is that the earlier the dinner the higher my fasting meter reading.

As for the "fat" element, I have suffered from hereditary high cholesterol for years and am on statins. So I only eat good fats and cook healthy, this is so frustrating. So that was going to be my next question to the group - why does cholesterol elevate with diabetes. Not only have they doubled my statins but they've added another one coz it's quite out of control. I'm beginning to feel like a total freak. Lin
 
It's complicated isn't it? After years of eating a mixed diet and not having to think about it too much, I've just been diagnosed with type 2 and am very confused as to what constitutes 'good' for me. The nurse recommended a book called Carbs and Cals which I've ordered but I'm not sure what I'm meant to be looking for. I've switched to porridge with dried fruit for breakfast, I usually have a light lunch of salad or a sandwich, and a larger meal in the evening which is meat or fish - last night I made a vegetable curry with basmati rice. I've cut down on snacks of any type without much difficulty and am eating a couple of pieces of fresh fruit a day. Vegetables are no problem - can't get enough really. I love cheese but have reduced this over the last year anyway, along with anything that has a lot of sugar or salt - always choosing foods that are either unadulterated or lower in the nasties. Don't eat a lot of pasta these days, and I'm a very moderate drinker - less than a bottle of wine a week, and 3-4 pints of beer a week at most. Haven't touched spirits since I was diagnosed. No idea if this is doing me any good as I feel no different. I wasn't ill to begin with and I'm wondering what the benefits of this will be and if I'll notice them.

Hello Garethj,

I agree very confusing and have read so much those two "o"s in google are my eyes spinning. From what I've read it's got to be the right oats you use and dried fruit is a no no but apparently berries are good, I've been using low gi rye bread, quite tasty actually but other than basmati rice and Durham wheat pasta everything else that's white is also a no no. I think I may go from mildly psychotic to totally psychotic, oops I forgot I'm already there!!! Seriously tho good luck I hope it all pans out and our levels get good n low n stable. Lin
 
Lin, I am not an expert on this. But if your 'fasting mode' is in fact a kind of 'starvation mode' (too few calories), I have read that your body will try to help you out - like in: "this person is getting too few calories, we will make a few liver dumps to get the glucose level up"!

Also, a certain percentage of protein will convert into carbs. Can't remember the percentage now - but I remember how surprised I was about this fact - rather high, though.

Have you considered adding some fats to your diet? Yes, yes, I know that the fat scare has been around for several decades. And I didn't feel comfortable about suddenly to freely eat butter and full cream with everything. However, I went from bad cholesterol numbers to numbers to dream about (and didn't gain weight).

annelise

Annalise, thanks so much, very interesting info and I'm the laziest person when it comes to eating, I'd rather go the whole day and eat one evening meal, so what you have said makes sense. Now I am forced to eat several times a day just to keep the sugar levels down. Really does make sense now.

My cholesterol has joined my sugars - why is that cholesterol and diabetes go hand in hand, or so it seems? Butter and full cream, I think I will stick with stuffing myself with good fats and see how that works, if it doesn't I will give the full cream a try. My weight is also an issue - oh well here's to a new chapter in my life. Thanks so much Lin
 
It's complicated isn't it? After years of eating a mixed diet and not having to think about it too much, I've just been diagnosed with type 2 and am very confused as to what constitutes 'good' for me. The nurse recommended a book called Carbs and Cals which I've ordered but I'm not sure what I'm meant to be looking for. I've switched to porridge with dried fruit for breakfast, I usually have a light lunch of salad or a sandwich, and a larger meal in the evening which is meat or fish - last night I made a vegetable curry with basmati rice. I've cut down on snacks of any type without much difficulty and am eating a couple of pieces of fresh fruit a day. Vegetables are no problem - can't get enough really. I love cheese but have reduced this over the last year anyway, along with anything that has a lot of sugar or salt - always choosing foods that are either unadulterated or lower in the nasties. Don't eat a lot of pasta these days, and I'm a very moderate drinker - less than a bottle of wine a week, and 3-4 pints of beer a week at most. Haven't touched spirits since I was diagnosed. No idea if this is doing me any good as I feel no different. I wasn't ill to begin with and I'm wondering what the benefits of this will be and if I'll notice them.
Cheese is good. Porridge and dried fruit possibly not. Sandwich not good. this is for me anyway.
 
Thank you, I'm breathing, sorry couldn't resist!

Stay stable - means my sugars sit around 6 with no high spikes, I,e like a rolling wave.
Shoot for the stars - means it's up in the teens, double digit stuff, getting there rather quickly and taking forever to subside.

I've been keeping a diary and trying different foods but mostly what I have noticed is that the earlier the dinner the higher my fasting meter reading.

As for the "fat" element, I have suffered from hereditary high cholesterol for years and am on statins. So I only eat good fats and cook healthy, this is so frustrating. So that was going to be my next question to the group - why does cholesterol elevate with diabetes. Not only have they doubled my statins but they've added another one coz it's quite out of control. I'm beginning to feel like a total freak. Lin

Thanks for clarifying Lin.

Reading the whole thread when I just looked in, I would urge you to try to eat more than once a day. I don't snack, and never have done, but wasn't always great with breakfast. I have found that by reducing my carbs, and ditching anything low fat, in favour of full fat versions, of yoghurt, for example, my condition is much improved. At diagnosis, which to be fair, was only in October, by cholesterol was highlighted as being elevated. Like you, I was concerned about fat consumption in the light of that. However, the reality is my cholesterol readings reduced, to very good levels. The second A1c I had done only included a total cholesterol +lipids scores, so it was more difficult to make a direct comparison! but although my total cholesterol had increased a bit, my triglycerides had reduced to quite an impressive level, so for now I'm taking heart from that. I'm next due some checks in August.

In those findings, I'm not alone. Many people have reported improvements in the cholesterol scores, in the light on trimming their carbs. I understand there is still an early school of thought which suggests carbs are more pivotal in cholesterol levels than previously understood.

Perhaps it could be a good idea to take a couple of weeks to keep a really tight diary of both your food and drink consumption, and your blood scores, then review. If you use something like myfitnesspal, that will both record what you are consuming, but also add up your calorie and other nutritional information, which could be helpful in demonstrating the fasting mode you suggest you are in. Doing this, I also lost weight. My primary objective was to get my numbers into range, but the weight I was carrying just went, without any additional effort.

I know we're all different, and I may be at a very different stage with my condition to where you find yourself, but a strict review probably makes sense, so that any decisions for change can be made in the light of personal, up to date data.

Good luck.
 
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Help me out here please - if I eat veg or salad and protein my sugars shoot for the stars, however if I add carbs (good ones not white ones) then my sugars stay stable, so I have to carb. If I just eat protein we are back to star shooting. Everything I read says cut down on carbs, I have spent the last 20 odd years not eating carbs and now I am told my body is going into fasting mode therefore high sugar levels. Flip this is so confusing can anyone clarify for me? Please!
I cut out almost all carbs for a month or so when first diagnosed. I felt terrible. Then I increased the amount of fat I was eating. I have not felt this good for years. (apart from my feet).
 
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I cut out almost all carbs for a month or so when first diagnosed. I felt terrible. Then I increased the amount of fat I was eating. I have not felt this good for years. (apart from my feet).


My health improved physically and mentally from having more fat. I have been pretty low carb for 30 years without knowing it. Adding in more fat has even benefitted the tone of my legs and so improved the damage that I believe came from statins. My only trouble is that I am losing weight from eating more fat..(same carbs) and really don't want or need to!




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