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Discussion in 'Insulin' started by cdpm, Apr 28, 2022.

  1. cdpm

    cdpm Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    some background--
    i used to use novorapid and toujeo insulins
    but was so hungry i gained alot of weight
    so i requested a different insulin
    and was given novolin premixed
    i lost the horrible hunger
    but it required me to eat when i wasnt hungry
    so im back on the novorapid and toujeo

    now that im back on them again
    my hungers increased and it makes me
    irritable
    sometimes i give in to the hunger it causes
    but im going to end up gaining weight again
    in addition to that
    i seem very insulin resistent
    and the dose is just climbing again
    i was using 160 units of toujeo and 120 units of novorapid
    a day
    i was started on 45 toujeo and 60 novorapid
    im already up to 66 and idk even know how much
    novo rapid as it varies with how many carbs i eat
    but id venture a guess its maybe 90 units
    and im not near any kind of goal yet
    set by the dr nor was i before on the higher doses

    i dont want to get stuck in this circle again
    like i was last time
    use insulin get hungry eat more gain weight need more insulin
    get more hungry gain more weight use more insulin
    i dont want stuck in it again

    i had heard that low carb helped hunger
    im unable to do that to try that
    as i can only buy cheap carby foods
    due to finances
    im unable to get any exercise due to other health issues

    i tried several oral meds. before insulin
    and experienced many side effects one leading me to an er


    what can i do?
    is my only option to stop insulin to just have high blood sugar
    and hope for no complications?
     
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  2. TriciaWs

    TriciaWs Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Not all low carb food is expensive. What about eggs and cheese to fill you up?
     
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  3. cdpm

    cdpm Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    i can afford eggs
    but cheese and canned tuna only when its on sale
    and other meats arent an option (intolerances and costs)
    so i felt that it would be very limiting
    with just eggs and sometimes tuna and cheese
    but i like all 3
    can i live on this?
    (cant afford veggies)
     
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    Fenn Type 1.5 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi, when you say required you to eat when you were not hungry, why? Did you have to dose with food? could the eat when not hungry choice be nuts or something cheap and non fattening? Sounds to me like having to eat when not hungry is way better than the viscous circle you’ve gone back to. I hope you find some answers.
     
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    Fenn Type 1.5 · Well-Known Member

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    Are you in the uk? Do you have access to food banks? Not being able to afford a few veggies seems awful, must be a way?

    Personally I hate veggies but my wife force feeds me, we could house swop?
     
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    Jaylee Type 1 · Moderator
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    Hi,

    I appreciate you are on a tight budget with your shopping.

    From your earlier post you mention using a Libre? If the sensors are self funded, could it be possible to go back to just finger pricking to help with your finances?

    Best wishes.
     
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  7. cdpm

    cdpm Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    the premix was a regular insulin and intermediate insulin
    already mixed
    and each has a high peak so between the 2 of them each peaking
    twice a day(2 injections) i had to eat 4x to avoid hypos
    i didnt know how much to eat i didnt get any guidance
    i really only like eating 2x a day
     
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    cdpm Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    im in canada
    we have food banks to use every other month
     
  9. cdpm

    cdpm Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    my sensors and insulin and test strips are all covered
    under the provincial drug plan
    its a good plan
    you can only have the sensors or strips one at a time
    you cant get them covered to use together
    just a few to test if the sensor says to test with something else
    cause its saying you have a weird number or whatever
     
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  10. cdpm

    cdpm Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    well up goes the weight

    i guess since i seem to need the insulin
    or go around in the 12s
    i have to also starve
    i really hate this
     
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    NicoleC1971 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Sorry you feel so trapped but you are right that more insulin, means more hunger and more weight gain and more insulin resistance. Low carb or keto is the only way back from this vicious circle other than 800kcal diet -also low carb (Newcastle or Blood Sugar diet) or bariatric surgery (not a great solution)>
    Please have a read of this re low carb on a budget . Please also think how expensive it would be if your diabetes got worse.
    Fasting is also very cheap.
    https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/recipes/low-carb-budget
     
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    Hotpepper20000 · Well-Known Member

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    You can get inexpensive hamburger meat. If you shop on Mondays stores also have 1$ and $2 off stickers on packages. Eggs are a good deal.
    There are other meats besides canned Tuna. Spam and corned beef are an option.
     
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    cdpm Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    an example
    i have coffee just 1
    the last thing i have not given up for diabetes
    and it puts me in the 12s fast
    if ive been lower
    and i put a bit of 10 percent cream and 3 stevia pks
    or sucrulose pks in it
    so i decided to try 10 units of novorapid
    nothing happens
    i dont want to give up the last thing i
    havnt given up
    but may have to
    sometimes i think geesh i may as well have a nice
    regular hot chocolate with that 10 units
    likely wouldnt work though
    lol
     
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    cdpm Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    im going to look and see
    one day i did find ground sausage
    30 percent off
     
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    cdpm Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    really nice site
     
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    cdpm Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    can newcastle be done without the shakes
     
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    Fenn Type 1.5 · Well-Known Member

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    Did you take 10 units of novorapid for a regular coffee? With no syrup or something in it? I’m far from an expert but that can’t be right? That’s like 2g of carb, if the insulin is not working (and clearly it’s not) and makes you gain weight, how can taking it make sense? I am not really asking you cdpm, I’m asking your doctors that are not reading this :( doesn’t sound like your getting good care at all.
     
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  18. Antje77

    Antje77 LADA · Moderator
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    If it was morning coffee, it may well be the biggest part of the rise was from getting out of bed, not the coffee.
    Many of us need insulin when we get up, even without breakfast. For some this is only 1 or 2 units, for me it's anywhere between 5 and 16 units (which also covers the splash of milk I have in my coffee).
     
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  19. Fenn

    Fenn Type 1.5 · Well-Known Member

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    That’s very interesting, they don’t tell you that. I am way too volatile to inject without food at the moment, feel better being a bit high than crashing, but that’s off topic sorry op :(

    edit: sorry, how do you know if it is 5 or 16 if not associating it to food?
     
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    Antje77 LADA · Moderator
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