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<blockquote data-quote="TeddyTottie" data-source="post: 2291764" data-attributes="member: 519030"><p>You know, I do believe in energy input vs. energy consumption as an overall mechanism affecting body weight, but crucially, within the context of a very low carb diet. Of course, if a person’s metabolic processes are dysfunctional and they have insulin resistance , for example, then there are other factors affecting the normal storage and release of energy which muddies the water.</p><p></p><p>So provided one has addressed the carb issue and is dealing with insulin resistance on a daily basis, what else is there to dictate as to whether ones loses/gains/maintains weight? Surely it has to be an excess of fuel. So the net effect would be the delta between the energy I consume as food and the energy my body need to function; if I eat less energy than is required then presumably my body utilises stored fat to make up the deficit.</p><p></p><p>However I don’t know the detail of that mechanism and this is just my impression from my research so far. Please let me know if anyone knows that different mechanisms are at play, I would like to understand this, when so many of our friends on this forum are adamant that ‘calories in, calories out’ is a total fallacy. I find it confusing, especially when still others advise to ‘eat more fat’ when a person doesn’t wish to lose weight on LCHF.</p><p></p><p>As for supplements, I think you do have to consider them within the framework of your overall diet. Most of them are consumed in very small amounts as compared to the whole of the diet so I expect their impact is fairly negligible.</p><p></p><p>The point I was trying to make about ketones is that they are end product, not an ingredient. So by supplying them to the body I would think that one is hijacking the very process that one is trying to enhance. Much like trying to support job creation in a luxury cake factory by buying in the Mr Kipling’s to sell instead ... <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite23" alt=":cat:" title="Cat :cat:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":cat:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TeddyTottie, post: 2291764, member: 519030"] You know, I do believe in energy input vs. energy consumption as an overall mechanism affecting body weight, but crucially, within the context of a very low carb diet. Of course, if a person’s metabolic processes are dysfunctional and they have insulin resistance , for example, then there are other factors affecting the normal storage and release of energy which muddies the water. So provided one has addressed the carb issue and is dealing with insulin resistance on a daily basis, what else is there to dictate as to whether ones loses/gains/maintains weight? Surely it has to be an excess of fuel. So the net effect would be the delta between the energy I consume as food and the energy my body need to function; if I eat less energy than is required then presumably my body utilises stored fat to make up the deficit. However I don’t know the detail of that mechanism and this is just my impression from my research so far. Please let me know if anyone knows that different mechanisms are at play, I would like to understand this, when so many of our friends on this forum are adamant that ‘calories in, calories out’ is a total fallacy. I find it confusing, especially when still others advise to ‘eat more fat’ when a person doesn’t wish to lose weight on LCHF. As for supplements, I think you do have to consider them within the framework of your overall diet. Most of them are consumed in very small amounts as compared to the whole of the diet so I expect their impact is fairly negligible. The point I was trying to make about ketones is that they are end product, not an ingredient. So by supplying them to the body I would think that one is hijacking the very process that one is trying to enhance. Much like trying to support job creation in a luxury cake factory by buying in the Mr Kipling’s to sell instead ... ;);):cat: [/QUOTE]
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