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Twitter threads on why most GP's won't suggest low carb

Discussion in 'Low-carb Diet Forum' started by bulkbiker, Nov 11, 2018.

  1. ickihun

    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    True. Ha ha
    Even Mods get reminders. They aren't exempt. Just like us.... human.
     
  2. HSSS

    HSSS Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    It does indeed happen now The current system has a huge number of people it’s not working for
    Every approach will have some that it doesn’t work for, that’s no reason not to try and improve the numbers. Or at the very least make the information and all the choices available to the patient.
     
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  3. ickihun

    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    I think Dr's suggesting Newcastle Diet list less problematic to multiple health condition sufferers than lchf.
    However the hunger is an issue (for me) but I found on lchf I still craved protein instead of carbs.

    If I was 14yrs old again I know I'd be smashing the 800cals diet, like I did then. Even without medical supervision.
    7st loss within 12mths. My skin didn't show 1 stretch mark either. Young skin is hugely flexible. I was hungry at first then blocked its feeling. I became immune to hunger. Not sure what my leptin was doing.
    No dietary suggestions from my then GP. Diabetes was not tested but it would have possible shown in remission as I ate no solids? Just 3 milkshakes and original coffee.
    I'm not sure I was mature enough to have navigated the lchf if it had been suggested, I needed to do things my way. So I did.
     
  4. NicoleC1971

    NicoleC1971 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    No you are not wrong. Both Doctors Unwin and McCormack make the point that under NICE guidelines you can personalise treatment that achieves the best result for your patient.
    However going low carb would involve a route that many doctors themselves can't imagine going down and it does imply greater support of their patients on dietary matters; I assume most GPs do not possess the knowledge or time to go against the conventional approach.
     
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  5. librarising

    librarising LADA · Well-Known Member

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    Interesting
    Geoff
     
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  6. rosco 2

    rosco 2 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I apologised if I offended anyone. It was never my intention or my stereotype, it was one that guys brought up endlessly. If you worked in sexual health you will be familiar with it. This site includes many topics that are nothing to do with diabetes per se so I think that was gratuitously pathetic. I will not be using this site.
    Thank you for the things I have learned in the past 5 months.
     
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  7. ickihun

    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    Funny enough I did both. :)
    Chest pains and palpatations are NOW listed as a possible side effect. I had no problems with hypos on lchf and insulin as I reduced doses as I continued. Even though no weight loss from lchf I could reduce my insulin units.
    Never could get rid of them thou. A few did.
     
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  8. Bluetit1802

    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Guru

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    My advice to you is to take a deep breath and let it go. We all get our hands slapped from time to time, but rise above it. Please don't be a Snowflake and melt away.
     
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  9. ickihun

    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    No. Newly added side effects of low carb eating programme does. I'm not alone. Just like any side effect I suppose.

    I still low carb but not 30-50g daily any more. Dieticians support low carb eating for type2 morbidly obese patients on the weight loss programme. Again I'm not only patient.

    I'm just realising these opportunities seem to be for those on the weight loss programmes under the nhs hospitals.
    I don't suppose all diabetics need it. Or offered it. However it is there.... for sure.
     
  10. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    Just out of interest, what calorie intake does someone who has had a gasric bypass or similar bariatric surgery take? This is one of the cures that the NHS offers us as we progress our disease, and the only one they give a guarantee to. It is also the only one they support/.promote etc
     
  11. kalamic

    kalamic Type 2 · Newbie

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    I’m T2 and have been for 7 years. I saw my GP yesterday about my neuropathy and suggested to her that I’m planning on doing LCHF. She wasn’t at all dismissive and was happy to suggest more blood tests after 8 weeks to see how it’s affecting my levels. She seemed pleased that I’m taking ownership. I was pleasantly surprised to not have outright resistance and actually have some encouragement.

    I’m 45 and really cannot face the levels of pain I have daily for the next 5 years never mind 30 years!!

    Bring it on!!
     
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  12. Jim Lahey

    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hypoglycaemia risk is only relevant to diabetics who use hypoglycaemics or exogenous insulin, which many wouldn’t even need if they weren’t being told to slowly kill themselves.

    Focusing on only on type 2 for a moment, the current care advice offered to type 2 diabetics is complete balderdash. Eat loads of grains & starches, don’t bother monitoring your blood glucose. May as well just hand them a saw and a bottle of painkillers. There is NO justification for the current treatment of type 2 diabetics. It’s a travesty, and people are dying who could otherwise have lived a long and happy life.

    It’s a real eye opener that this is continually allowed to happen. Money makes the world go around, my grandparents used to tell me. I don’t think they knew how right they were.
     
  13. Brunneria

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    Sorry, Jim, I'm not singling you out to disagree with! It is just that glucose dysregulation covers such a wider zone than just T1 and 2.

    Whenever I see this view on hypos written on the forum, by anyone, I always pipe up and point out that not only are there diabetics who experience hypos for other reasons than injected insulin and drugs, there are also non-diabetics who experience hypos for reasons not related to diabetic drugs and injected insulin.

    There are several illnesses and endocrine disorders other than diabetes which can cause hypos - and they can exist alongside diabetes or as stand alone conditions.

    The only reason I feel obliged to say this, is that every so often we get a poster who says 'nope, you can't have a hypo unless you are an insulin user' (or a T1, or on a specific drug, or similar) and this can be stunningly unhelpful to someone who IS experiencing hypos and who isn't on those medications.
     
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  14. Jim Lahey

    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Yes that’s a fair comment except that encouraging behaviour that requires exogenous insulin or hypoglycaemic medicines increases the risk of hypoglycaemia with misuse. No?
     
  15. Brunneria

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    Haha! my views on carb intake have been posted all over the forum for years. :)
    In situations like this, I just restrict myself to pointing out that hypos have many causes, and that claiming they only come from excessive medication is unhelpful to some. :)
     
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  16. Jim Lahey

    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Again fair comment. I’m looking through the lens of doctors encouraging the use of hypoglycaemics and exogenous insulin as a direct result of bad or nonexistent dietary and monitoring advice. The fear of hypoglycaemic reactions in the majority is unfounded, and doctors should be empowered to apply some discretion, not encourage everyone to dramatically increase the risk of having their feet sawn off in the misguided hope that one life may be saved.

    I don’t mean to appear terse. It’s just that diabetes treatment orthodoxy winds me up :D
     
  17. zauberflote

    zauberflote Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    rosco, don't sell us Yankees short-- better to say, at the drop of anything larger than a quark...:D:D:D
     
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  18. DCUKMod

    DCUKMod I reversed my Type 2 · Master
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    Kalamic - Sorry to come to your post late, but a big well done for taking a firm hold of your diabetes and looking for things to improve your health and you quality of life. Certainly, lower carb eating has done that for many of our members.

    I don't know what medications you take, but if you are on stronger meds, such as Gliclazide or insulin (as opposed to the milder meds, like Metformin), please do ensure you test a lot and me mindful if you experience an increase in hypos. Some folks need their medication tweaking after a short while.

    If you are experiencing neuropathic pain, again, a number of folks on here have had some success by adding the supplement R-ALA to their lives. (It must be the R-ALA, not just plain old ALA.) R-ALA has been discussed quite a bit on here from time to time, so a thread search would probably return you some decent reading. If not, and you're interested, you could start a new thread. I'm sure those who have tried it would be happy to give you some feedback.

    Good luck with it all, and fingers crossed things will improve for you.
     
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  19. Bananas 2

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    My guess it is the BigPharma influence over orgs like the ADA, and the like. Just look at their top donors. A similar analogy would be: It's like an epi-pen manufacturer donating to an org that promotes to people with peanut allergies to eat more peanuts, and just cover it with more epi-pens. $Ka-ching$.
     
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  20. Daphne917

    Daphne917 Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I used to have hypos when I was younger and when my GP tested for diabetes my levels were fine. We eventually narrowed it down to the cereals that I was eating for breakfast - crunchy nut cornflakes, cornflakes and shreddies. Once I swapped to bran flakes etc I seemed to be ok. I also used to hypo if I didn’t have breakfast or hadn’t eaten for a while.
     
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