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Type 2 diabetes now with breast cancer

morty1960

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
I have type 2 diabetes, was diagnosed August 2015. Was prescribed meteor in 500mg 4 times a day. January was diagnosed with breast cancer. Had my metformin reduced to twice a day. I am having chemotherapy at the moment. Had my blood checked any hospital Tuesday 28th June 2016. Blood sugar was 10.8. No idea still what blood sugar should be. Could someone please what a normal blood sugar be. I have trouble sleeping. Waking up sweating and going to bathroom. I know my cancer treatment can cause this at the moment but had this before my diagnosis. I would just like someone to tell me what a normal sugar blood reading is. Thank
 
Was 10.8 an A1C or a finger prick reading? Either way it is high. Between 4 and 7 is best if you can manage it but with everything you have going on right now that may be difficult. @daisy1 has some info for newcomers that may help. I am sending you a big hug from Canada because we all need one once in a while.
 
@morty1960

Hello and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find this gives the advice you need. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
I have type 2 diabetes, was diagnosed August 2015. Was prescribed meteor in 500mg 4 times a day. January was diagnosed with breast cancer. Had my metformin reduced to twice a day. I am having chemotherapy at the moment. Had my blood checked any hospital Tuesday 28th June 2016. Blood sugar was 10.8. No idea still what blood sugar should be. Could someone please what a normal blood sugar be. I have trouble sleeping. Waking up sweating and going to bathroom. I know my cancer treatment can cause this at the moment but had this before my diagnosis. I would just like someone to tell me what a normal sugar blood reading is. Thank


Morty - There are three common types of blood test carried out for diabetes. The first is a quick finger prick test, that can be done at any time of the day, and that would give you just a snapshot of your blood score at that moment. If this is what you had, how good, bad or indifferent your reading would be, would depend on whan you had most recently eaten before the test, and what you had eaten.

The second potential would be a fasting reading, which can be done by either finger prick, or more commonly in a hospital setting from blood from your arm. If it was one of these, and you had fasted from the previous night, then the score is a bit higher than your probably ideal reading.

If it's the third option and an HbA1c test, then this is test that can be done any time of the day, with or without fasting, and gives an indication of your average blood scores over the preceding 8-12 weeks. If that's the one you had, then your 10.8 is again a bit higher than you might ideally like to see.

As you point out, achieving a really great reading can be more tricky whilst undergoing the sort of treatment you are undergoing, so don't be too hard on yourself, for heavens sake. I don't know how you're coping with your chemo, and whether or not you're suffering any side effects, but if you can, it would be worthwhile trying to keep on top of things if you can - and you obviously want to.

Daisy has given you some great information in her post above. This site has loads of information on it, from ideal blood ranges ( http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html ) to ideas on what to eat, including several threads in the forum.

Unfortunately there are other forum members who have faced your challenges of both diagnosis, but the good news is some of them post on the forums and I hope they will drop by to offer you some support.

Good luck with it all and special good luck for the best possible outcome with your breast cancer.
 
Hi,

I am sorry you find yourself in this position. A double whammy indeed. I was in a similar position myself in 2013, but wasn't diagnosed with Type 2 until I had finished my chemo and radiotherapy, although I was still having 3 weekly infusions of Herceptin. My diabetes materialised during 2013 when I was on chemo etc. which I blame almost entirely on the food I was advised to eat to ward off any side effects of the chemo (gallons of Cranberry juice, Manuka honey, at least 1 if not 2 bottles of Lucozade daily, bananas by the lorry load and so forth) not to mention adding sugar to my food because otherwise it all tasted like putty and the chocolate comfort eating. Then of course the steroids, which are known to increase BS levels. So being on chemo will not be helping you. I feel you need to concentrate on your cancer treatment first, and BS levels second, although you may be able to find a good balance. I hope so.

I wish you the very best of luck with your treatment and for your future. I am 3 and a half years post my cancer diagnosis, and so far all clear. My diabetes is well controlled with normal levels all day. It can be done! :)
 
Hello

it is high but I have no idea of the interaction of the treatments you are undergoing, what is it doing to your digestion and many other factors which will come into play here.

If you are staying hydrated, eating well keeping carbs, the complex ones and the simple ones to a minimum you are doing all you can and putting up a bloody good fight too. Pick your battles, you may feel worse in the shortish term if you change your diet too much. 10.8 may not be the ideal value as a fasting or 2 hours after dinner but it may be good enough for today. Speak to your oncology nurse, they are usually awesome and will help you work out a plan (if one is needed) but first things first, be kind to yourself as none of this is your fault.

Please do let us know how you are doing.

Ross

edited because of terrible grammar!
 
Just wanted to say hello and wish you good luck.

A colleague of mine was diagnosed with breast cancer a few years ago ..... she is fine but was terrified for a while.

x
 
Was 10.8 an A1C or a finger prick reading? Either way it is high. Between 4 and 7 is best if you can manage it but with everything you have going on right now that may be difficult. @daisy1 has some info for newcomers that may help. I am sending you a big hug from Canada because we all need one once in a while.
Thank you for that.
 
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