Walter Wolf
Active Member
No. Just the weight loss. All I hear from the doctors is weight loss, weight loss, weight loss, carbs, carbs, carbs, fat, fat, fat. I'm sick of hearing it. I think a lot of the problem is not what I eat, but how much.
The official (outdated) advice from many nutritionists on diet tends to be low fat high carb. Oh, but you're diabetic so you'd better go on low carb as well. Frankly, this is crazy, you've got to eat something. Many many T2s on this forum control their condition by going very low carb but HIGH fat - eg eggs and bacon for breakfast. Don't worry about the fat content, just eliminate the carbs, and your weight should drop off.
Is there a reason why you've been warned off red meat other than the T2 diabetes and weight loss.
You clearly have to find a way of living that suits you - we all did and do.
My only comment about your willingness to take meds would be that many meds have side effects or impacts, and some are way more work than managing diet.
Not everyone, for a million and one reasons can manage their condition by diet and exercise or Metformin, but there really isn't a magic bullet for diabetes.
Take your time and have a ponder. If you don't have a blood glucose monitor, I suggest you acquire on to see what most impacts you this time around.
That's the thing. Many people don't find that managing diet is particularly hard work. I find it very hard work and very depressing.
Most of my social life revolves around going out for meals and drinks with friends and I just don't want to be sitting there with a Coke Zero, thinking "Is there anything on this menu that I can actually eat?"
I have done it once, very successfully (well, temporarily). I know what it's like and I hate it. I'm not looking for a magic bullet - I know there isn't one. All I'm looking for is something to get me back on my feet, symptoms-wise.
The trouble is red meat is one of the things I have been warned about. Chicken and salmon are nice, but not for every meal.
Oh yes - I had Metformin and a statin prescribed - I was absolutely wretched until I threw them in the bin - felt so much better, but it made me all the more determined to go with the diet - totally normal readings for the last year.
Sounds like your doctors , through their own ignorance, have really screwed you over. I would strongly suggest you give low carbing a go. If you can cook eggs and bacon then you have it licked. If you want more info I am happy to share but completely understand if you don't. But you came here for a reason...All I hear from the doctors is weight loss, weight loss, weight loss, carbs, carbs, carbs, fat, fat, fat. I'm sick of hearing it. I think a lot of the problem is not what I eat, but how much.
DCUKMod:
You have summed it up perfectly. The bottom line is I don't want to change. I know everyone is trying to help by steering me back towards the diets and telling me that it won't be so bad.
But to be honest, even the low carb diet looks awful. There are so many restrictions on so many basic staple foods. I could probably put up with it for a few months, but I know I would be thoroughly miserable and I know I wouldn't stick to it.
Saying "Yes I'll give it a go, it might be ok" is not going to do any good at all, because I would be lying to myself and others.
Honestly I would not go back to the so called cholesterol lowering diet I was on with all the stodgy carbs which sapped all my energy and made me so fat.Well done. I am truly happy for you and respect the way you have done it.
DCUKMod:
You have summed it up perfectly. The bottom line is I don't want to change. I know everyone is trying to help by steering me back towards the diets and telling me that it won't be so bad.
But to be honest, even the low carb diet looks awful. There are so many restrictions on so many basic staple foods. I could probably put up with it for a few months, but I know I would be thoroughly miserable and I know I wouldn't stick to it.
Saying "Yes I'll give it a go, it might be ok" is not going to do any good at all, because I would be lying to myself and others.
Honestly I would not go back to the so called cholesterol lowering diet I was on with all the stodgy carbs which sapped all my energy and made me so fat.
I can eat chicken, lamb, pork chops, turkey, goose, quail and beef, any sort of fish or shellfish - eggs and cheese, a whole range of vegetables - I can have frozen berries and eat them with cream and sugar free jelly. I do salads and stirfries - or roast the veges in with the meat. There are low carb baked goods though they have to be made at home, there is even 'fathead' pizza.
The consequences of uncontrolled diabetes are not just extra pills to take - when I was a small child my family lived with my father's parents as my grandmother was dying slowly from uncontrolled type two diabetes, and it is not something I will ever forget. You have a chance to avoid all that might go wrong - I can only urge you with all my heart to avoid the possible consequences.
Ok firstly I kind of know where you're coming from. I spent the first week hesitant to eat anything, then looked on here and did low carb for a month or so but couldn't stick to it, it was awful. The thought of eating bacon and eggs turns my stomach even now over a year later and it did nothing to help my levels anyway. Why set yourself up for failure? At least you're honest enough to admit you can't do it. I also take another tablet which helps my body make a bit more insulin and that works well for me. I looked at what I was eating and made little tweaks like swapping the bread I eat for one of the lowest carb but proper bread I could find, making sure that the carbs on my plate were a smaller percentage of the plate than they were before. I never say to myself I can't have that I'm diabetic but I do make sure that I try to pick lower carb options of the foods I enjoy. I get that you don't cook so that makes things more difficult but when you eat out, which you probably do much more than me, go out, enjoy yourself but just go easy on the carbs and reduce your portion size. Try to pick up the exercise again, even if only a small amount initially, because that will help too. If you can get your glucose levels down a little, you will begin to feel a little better. And it could have a snowball effect if you keep On, making changes, exercising more, reducing levels, reducing weight and just feeling a bit more like you. I know it's easy to say but we've all been where you are now. It sucks. It really sucks and not a day goes by where I don't wish I.didnt have diabetes. But I owe it to myself to.stay as healthy as I can, I like feeling healthy and full of energy and keep my sugar levels down. Give it a Try, do what you can and bit by bit it will start to become easier and you will feel better. Take careDCUKMod:
You have summed it up perfectly. The bottom line is I don't want to change. I know everyone is trying to help by steering me back towards the diets and telling me that it won't be so bad.
But to be honest, even the low carb diet looks awful. There are so many restrictions on so many basic staple foods. I could probably put up with it for a few months, but I know I would be thoroughly miserable and I know I wouldn't stick to it.
Saying "Yes I'll give it a go, it might be ok" is not going to do any good at all, because I would be lying to myself and others.
OK ... what DO you weigh
Ok firstly I kind of know where you're coming from. I spent the first week hesitant to eat anything, then looked on here and did low carb for a month or so but couldn't stick to it, it was awful. The thought of eating bacon and eggs turns my stomach even now over a year later and it did nothing to help my levels anyway. Why set yourself up for failure? At least you're honest enough to admit you can't do it. I also take another tablet which helps my body make a bit more insulin and that works well for me. I looked at what I was eating and made little tweaks like swapping the bread I eat for one of the lowest carb but proper bread I could find, making sure that the carbs on my plate were a smaller percentage of the plate than they were before. I never say to myself I can't have that I'm diabetic but I do make sure that I try to pick lower carb options of the foods I enjoy. I get that you don't cook so that makes things more difficult but when you eat out, which you probably do much more than me, go out, enjoy yourself but just go easy on the carbs and reduce your portion size. Try to pick up the exercise again, even if only a small amount initially, because that will help too. If you can get your glucose levels down a little, you will begin to feel a little better. And it could have a snowball effect if you keep On, making changes, exercising more, reducing levels, reducing weight and just feeling a bit more like you. I know it's easy to say but we've all been where you are now. It sucks. It really sucks and not a day goes by where I don't wish I.didnt have diabetes. But I owe it to myself to.stay as healthy as I can, I like feeling healthy and full of energy and keep my sugar levels down. Give it a Try, do what you can and bit by bit it will start to become easier and you will feel better. Take care
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