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Type 2 Newbie Confused

clairemcg

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Location
Galway Ireland/London
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi everyone, I was type 2 diagosed 3 weeks ago.
Been on Metformin for 2 weeks now started with 20.3 readings now coming down to between 12 and 7, but mainly over the 10 range, I'm on 500mg x 3 a day, got a fair amount of weight to loose, Doc says Metformin takes a while to kick in? ? As Gp Nurse asked should dose be increased?
Also I'm very confused regarding food :) I'm avoiding All Carbs and Sugars, mainly eating Lean Meat and Salad, Fruit and occasional no Sugar Yogurt. Don't know where to start regarding Food, what spikes etc, is Aspartame good bad ?
Any Advice really very appreciated :)

Ps, I'm in Galway Ireland, diabetic forums here don't exist :) I'm a escaped South Londoner though
 
Welcome Claire,

Your readings are on the high side but you can get them down.

Can you tell us what you ate yesterday so we can try to help you.
 
Hi everyone, I was type 2 diagosed 3 weeks ago.
Been on Metformin for 2 weeks now started with 20.3 readings now coming down to between 12 and 7, but mainly over the 10 range, I'm on 500mg x 3 a day, got a fair amount of weight to loose, Doc says Metformin takes a while to kick in? ? As Gp Nurse asked should dose be increased?
Also I'm very confused regarding food :) I'm avoiding All Carbs and Sugars, mainly eating Lean Meat and Salad, Fruit and occasional no Sugar Yogurt. Don't know where to start regarding Food, what spikes etc, is Aspartame good bad ?
Any Advice really very appreciated :)

Ps, I'm in Galway Ireland, diabetic forums here don't exist :) I'm a escaped South Londoner though

Well done for making a decent start to your control. Unfortunately, fruit is a bit of a lottery for we T2s as it does contain quite a bit of sugar, and some of it quick release too. Most of us have to side-step it for a while at least. About the only almost universally acceptable fruits tend to be berries, so raspberries, strawberries, blueberries etc.

There's a huge amount to take on board at the outset, but rather than swamp you with a great big list (because there's still loads we can freely eat), I suggest you have a look at the what have you eaten today thread where folks post up exactly that.

As for your medication; it does take a few weeks to build up in your system, but by far diet is the most important weapon in the T2 armoury.

What were your diagnostic scores, and how were you diagnosed?
 
Thanks AndBreathe, my fasting bloods in diagnosis were 14.3, I also have Fibromyalgia, and Doctor suspected a Thyroid problem and did lots of Tests, Thyroid came back ok, but blood sugar and Liver function abnormal, which I understand isn't unusual in a T2 Diagnosis, I've lost 13lb in the last 3 weeks and I used to take pain killers for Fibromyalgia pain, haven't taken Any since No Sugar/no Carbs :)
 
Thanks AndBreathe, my fasting bloods in diagnosis were 14.3, I also have Fibromyalgia, and Doctor suspected a Thyroid problem and did lots of Tests, Thyroid came back ok, but blood sugar and Liver function abnormal, which I understand isn't unusual in a T2 Diagnosis, I've lost 13lb in the last 3 weeks and I used to take pain killers for Fibromyalgia pain, haven't taken Any since No Sugar/no Carbs :)

Thanks Claire.

You might find something like myfitnesspal (website or app, and they synchronise with each other) useful for tracking what you're eating, and the carbs and calories involved. You need to watch the database a bit, as some of the entries are user entries and not as robust as we might like. I found it extremely helpful, and a year or so on, still track my food every day. I find it helps me stay on track.
 
@VinnyJames, yesterday, bacon Salad :) lettuce, spring onion tomatoes, sugar snap peas, baby spinach, garlic, carrot dash olive oil and grilled Bacon,

Muesli, I made my own, oats, sultanas, 1 chopped Banana, coconut,

Yogurt, says it's sugar free but might be the culprit.
Bean nuggets, (I made) smooshed kidney beans, chick peas, washed&drained no sugar baked beans, chopped onion, salt pepper, little olive oil, baked in oven, had about 8 of these,( nugget size) with another salad as above. Sorry about the long food novel
 
Hi ClairMcg.
Daisy 1 will be giving you a list of info as she does to all newbies.
But welcome to a great forum, you will find lots of Help here.
Just looking at what you wrote, Your readings are still on the High Side, Were you Given a Meter and when do you test? Did you have a HbA1c test done, and know the figure ?
Your dose of Metformin may be a bit High, its normally 2x 500 mg Metformin a day for starters, but its your Doctors call. This will be adjusted over time and on results
Metformin does take a few weeks to properly settle down, don't know if it has upset your tummy, if so take it with food.
Going Low Carb is very good, Fruit can have a lot of sugar, watch it , try Berries they are better. Exercise also helps loose weight if needed, but helps in getting Blood Glucose under Control.
Try Plain Yoghurt and flavour it yourself with Fruit, Sugar free flavours. as the Low Fat still contain High Carbs at times .
Look at the Forums like Low Carb, Recipes Diet, you will learn a lot
There is a lot of discussion on sweeteners and harmful effects, but really find one you like, they all get some time to get used to, and I don't believe they cause any damage
Lastly being Diagnosed a Diabetic is not the end of the world, but rather a good chance of getting to know yourself and your body a lot better.
Good luck in the Journey, and please feel free to ask any questions, I or someone will be happy to assist

;)
 
I think you are doing the right thing and cutting your carbs..how did your first 3 days go, mine were hell :)
I'd cut the banana and all fruit and juice for a while, you don't need the fructose. diabetics make too much through the polyol pathway
the metformin takes 3 weeks to work, but it's mainly diet for T2

you may find better if you add some health fats/oils, to replace the lost carb energy
http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf it’s a long page and a video
A dietician site
http://www.lowcarbdietitian.com/blog/carbohydrate-restriction-an-option-for-diabetes-management
 
@VinnyJames, yesterday, bacon Salad :) lettuce, spring onion tomatoes, sugar snap peas, baby spinach, garlic, carrot dash olive oil and grilled Bacon,

Muesli, I made my own, oats, sultanas, 1 chopped Banana, coconut,

Yogurt, says it's sugar free but might be the culprit.
Bean nuggets, (I made) smooshed kidney beans, chick peas, washed&drained no sugar baked beans, chopped onion, salt pepper, little olive oil, baked in oven, had about 8 of these,( nugget size) with another salad as above. Sorry about the long food novel


That list looks pretty ok at first glance. I swear by meat salad lunches myself.
There are a couple of things that stand out on your list as potential blood sugar spikers - banana and sultanas. And surprisingly no sugar baked beans. All these are high in carbohydrates which turns to glucose in the body.

I just quickly looked up sultanas on the MyFitnessPal app and they are very high in carbs.

Do you like eggs? They are really beneficial as a breakfast for diabetics.

I used to eat 3 weetabix now I have boiled eggs or an omelette.

When I tested myself the difference in the breakfasts was amazing in blood sugar levels.
 
Hi Claire, welcome :). You've received good advice above and well done for being proactive about things. Although I don't take Metformin (or anything else) I gather that the SR (slow-release) version is more benign for your stomach so you could try asking for that if you're not on it already.

Good luck and keep asking questions!
 
Hi Claire and welcome, you don't sound like your too confused:-) you seem to be getting to grips with it very well, all I would add is eat to your meter and test, test, test. You will soon discover what you can and cannot get away with.

Take care and good luck
 
Luckily I've come off all wheat products for over 6 months so I'm kinda used to that, sultanas bananas baked beans out thank you!
Must look up Oats, porridge etc
Last 3 weeks has been a roller coaster emotionally, but I see this as Randburg said as a opportunity to a new fitter healthier slimmer Me :) only got 1 life so may as well be around long enough to annoy my kids and grow old very very disgracefully
 
@Claire
A very wise member advised me ..that when testing a food or a particular meal, test regularly after starting at 1hr . We all react differently to different carbs or starches. Once you get used to it, and know what spikes you, your testing will reduce naturally. But as Vinny said 2 hours seems to be the norm initially.
 
@clairemcg

Hello Claire and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Carry on asking questions and, as you have already seen, members will rally round to help you.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 100,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi. Your diet overall looks very good. Yes, do avoid bananas in the muesli and choose no suagr-added dried fruit or real berries. Metformin does take a few weeks and is mainly of use if you are overweight as it helps reduce insulin resistance from muscle fat and does reduce the liver's glucose output a bit. The max dose which I'm on is 2000mg. Don'f expect too much from it as others have said diet is the key. It sounds like you are already succeeding with weight reduction so keep at it just tweaking the diet a little. Many will say aspartame is bad but the scientific evidence for that is weak. I have all of the articial sweeteners and I'm still alive! If you think aspartame is bad for you what about that poison called sugar. BTW do ask the doc for Metformin SR (Slow Release) which is much kinder. GPs don't prescribe it at first because it's bit more expensive
 
Hello and welcome,

To test out what a meal has done to you, test immediately before you eat, then again 2hours after your first bite. Look at the difference between the 2 readings. If it is more than 2mmol/l there are too many carbs in that meal. Try the same meal again another day with smaller carb portions. Once you get the hang of things, you can test also at 1 hour after as many foods will spike around this point, but don't worry too much about the size of the spike. It is the 2hr one that matters, at least initially. You should be aiming to keep your levels under 6 fasting and before eating, and under 7.8 at 2 hours ..... but don't worry if this doesn't happen quickly. It is all trial and error with food, and baby steps are needed at first.

Keep a food diary of everything you eat and drink, including portion sizes, then record your levels alongside. Patterns will soon emerge, and you will learn which foods are OK for you, and which aren't. (we are all different)
 
Hi Claire

You will get lots of practical advice here and sounds like you have a good start.

Remember too that fruit no mater what the nutritionist tell you is really a high fat diet ( fructose ) because of the way it is metabolized in the liver and does not invoke an insulin response. As suggested eat berries and fruits that are considered veggies is avocados, cucumbers, eggplants and the like.

A big influence on many is Dr Bernstein's Diabetes Solution' http://www.diabetes-book.com/

Its a bit strict but well worth reading and rereading and adopting it if you can. My own experience was throwing it down as pure rubbish but now I follow it like a bible

Jenny Ruhls Blood Sugar 101 is Aldo an excellent starting point http://www.phlaunt.com/
 
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