Type 2 with under active thyroid

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Hi all

Newly diagnosed as Type 2 - diagnosed under active thyroid 2 years ago. It's fair or say I am overwhelmed at the min!

To add insult to injury I've been to the dentist today who has informed me I have Lichen Planus.

Any advice would be great. I'm off to my first appointment with the diabetic nurse later!!
 

4ratbags

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It takes time to take it all in and you seem to have a triple dose at the moment. I will tag @daisy1 to post you out some great advice to read. The best thing you can do is to scour the forum and ask questions. A lot of things the professionals will tell you will most probably contradict the advice you are given here but be rest assured we are speaking from experience.
 
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daisy1

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@Dazedandconfused1

Hello and welcome to the forum. Here is the information we give to new members and I hope this will be helpful to you. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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Daks

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Hi D&C, welcome to the forum.
Can be like a train hitting when first diagnosed huh. I also have an underactive thyroid and am type 2.

Take what your diabetic nurse tells you with a view to improve on current NHS advice and spend some time here on the forum, there is no better source of information.

It's not such a dark place once you start controlling your bloods. In fact the health benifits can outweigh the negative.

Hop on the diabetic love train and stay with the forum.
 
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Hi D&C, welcome to the forum.
You must feel like you have been in a train crash at the moment but try not to panic, you have come to the right place! Take it one day at a time :cat:
 
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Thanks everyone!
Yep definitely feels like I've been hit by a train!!
Diabetic nurse is recommending Metaformin which confused me slightly as the Doctor had said that I should try to go the diet route?? When I asked her she just said it was to protect my heart, and that the quicker we get to grips with this in the beginning the better. She did the foot test and checked my bp which was 128/70 so not all bad news. Other than that she gave me a load of stuff to read and said she will send me to get my eye check done and that the dietician would be able to help more when I see her next week. Kinda got the impression that it was a bit rushed and still not really got any more info other than don't do the Atkins diet as it gives too many spikes?
Catlady and Daks yep feels like a very dark place at the min with head spinning and trying not to panic. I have been reading old posts and trying to glean as much info as I can.

Thanks again
 
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geoffh

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I'm intrigued about their advice not to do the atkins diet - I've found that the LCHF diet I've been following (quite similar in some ways) gives me hardly any blood sugar spikes at all. I shudder to think how I'd be coping if I was following my diabetic nurse's advice of 'eating carbohyrdate with every meal' - I certainly wouldn't be 14kg lighter!!

The best possible advice is to get yourself a blood glucose and test yourself. Once before eating, then 1 and 2 hours after. This is by far the best way to find out what food YOU can eat. You don't have to listen to anyone else - your NHS health professionals - or even us! Just follow the meter and you'll find your levels coming down soon enough.

As for metformin I had a similar experience. I was almost bullied onto it to get my blood glucose down as quick as possible. From what I understand it's one of the gentler medications to be on with good benefits and less-worrying side-effects than others. You can always start, then come off them later on.

It does get easier, I promise :)
 
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Hi Geoff

Thanks for replying - she said Atkins was too severe. That low carb was a better option. She did however tell me that I did not need a blood glucose tester as it confuses people and that I would have to go back in 3 months and do a fasting blood test. I thought that was a little strange as how am I supposed to know that the changes I am making are working?
 

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Hi, I was told not to test and argued that I would be more anxious not knowing what my BG was doing and I have plenty of fingers so they won't get sore. A BG meter is the best thing you can use so you can tell if what you are eating is sending your BG up or down but you will most probably have to buy your own. My level was 23.5 on diagnosis and is now 6 on my meter and I found LCHF very easy to do.
 
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Scottish Mum

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Hi D&C

Type 2 and Underactive thyroid here. I started low carbing, but through testing, I've found the carbs, and how much I can eat of them without spiking. I only test when it's foods I don't know now, and if I eat a larger portion that I know the likely result of. At the start, I was testing absolutely everything until my brain adjusted to knowing what I could eat safely.

I've lost four stone in the process and through using smoothies for my fruit with unsweetened almond milk, I'm never, ever hungry. For me, mango is the best fruit, with strawberries following, but my body doesn't like bananas and grapes too much. I do use my fitness pal to log nutritional content, including carbs of foods I eat, which I moved to after keeping a diary for the first couple of months. I've learned I have to log, however I do it.

I'm actually quite happy about metformin. I don't have the awful cravings I used to have, but I suspect those were a combination of the thyroid and diabetes, both uncontrolled. Thyroxine means my body is better balanced, and metformin seems to have allowed my body to use the food it eats, so I don't feel that awful craving to eat. A lot of people have a long term goal to get off it, but I'm quite happy to stay on it for now anyway.
 
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I was diagnosed with hyperthyroidism about 6 years ago, and I'm on levothyroxine tablets for that. Not a big problem for me except that I don't have as much energy as I used to. But that could also be due to getting older.
It may have also contributed to my T2 diagnosis seven weeks ago, as I have been quite sedentary and putting on weight since I retired.
Do you know what your HbA1c results were? Mine was 49 and I was told I wouldn't be put on medication now, but to try to control my BG level with exercise and diet, and to see how that works until my three month test.
I have lost about one stone in seven weeks, and I think my HbA1c level will be below 47 when I get tested again in November.

It was a shock when I was told I was diabetic, and took about three weeks to come to terms with it, but coming on this forum has helped me to understand the condition and deal with it.
 
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Hi, My HbA1c was 54 in June & 41 end of July, and just waiting for my latest result to come in, but I'm confident it will be around the 40 mark or less. Well, fingers crossed anyway. I'd suspected diabetes for a while, so it wasn't a major shock to me, but still, it's been the kick up the backside I needed to get my body and eating under good control.

At the moment, I'm grateful for it, for making me change habits and become more healthy. I suspect my thyroid is still a bit unbalanced, so I do get tired, but with better food, I cope better. I wouldn't want to lose my metformin though, and I'm not sure at what level they start to prescribe it. For me, it seems to curb hunger pangs, but that could be the thyroxine too. I'm not sure which one is doing it, or which one is responsible for the now lack of pain I have in my thumb joints, which was really bad before I started those meds.

Are you testing? It's hard to know which foods do what to you if you don't?
 
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Hi Soooo glad to here from others with underactive and Type 2!!! I can honestly say reading this forum is keeping me sort of sane!

Prem 51 my HbA1c was 57 at diagnosis, the Doctor only found it because I was having quite a few severe "thyroid symptons" after being on Levothyroxine 150mg for 2 years. It turns out that when I went back and asked for it to be tested again as my hair was falling out in clumps, the test came back that I was on too high a dose but still feeling really ill, so he investigated more and did a HbA1c then double checked it a week later and said yep Type 2.

Scottish Mum Levothyroxine has been great for me too and yep jumped straight onto Low Carb (typing as I munch on celery,peppers, cucumber and cherry tomatoes). Got confusing advice re testing - Dr and nurse said don't need to - but how can I tell what works without it. Went to just buy one last night and the Pharmacy Technician said go back to your Doctors and repeated what has already been said on this site re NICE.

Popped into the surgery (aka my new second home) this morning to ask about perscription for Metaform (Nurse cant do it Doctor has to) and said that if they want me to go on Metaform I want a perscription for a monitor as well.

So watch this space. Feeling a little more positive today - having said that food shopping last night was a bit odd. After 4 years on Slimming world suddenly not buying diet stuff is a bit of a mind bender.

Can I just ask as well when people have a spike how do you know? Can it be as simple as just feeling really hot.

Thanks again for all everyones help and advice
 

geoffh

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It can be tricky to know if you have a spike. Some people have symptom, some don't. I don't really have any (which kind of goes along with the fact that I didn't really have any symptoms on diagnosis). Personally I'd say the only way to be sure is to test.

I know what you mean about shopping, but you do get used to it. We're programmed to believe that eating lots of carbs (pasta/rice/bread) is normal - but who's to say what normal is. I'm feeling great, eating butter, cream, cheese and meat and losing weight too. :)
 
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Any more updates / advice you can give me?

I am about to be diagnosed wih underactive throid and be given thyroxine ...
 

satkins

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I know how you feel about being hit by a train. It seems ever since Jan this year it's been one thing after another for me also. First an abscess that was treated. Dr. then put me on blood pressure pills as I was always really high. Then told I was Type 2 and put on metformin. Three months later (and 5 blood tests) I've got my Type 2 some what under control but now I'm told I have hypothyroid so now on Synthroid. I went from the odd pain killer for a headache to three scripts. I've never taken this much medication in my life.

But over the last three months I've dropped my a1c from a 7.4 to a 5.5. Still need all the meds though. All I can say is own your diagnosis. Find a diet that works for you but really try and limit the carbs. Ask questions of your doctor and get all of your number from him (i.e. a1c level, lipid levels and anything else they test for). Do your own research on what those numbers mean. Then ask more questions.

I'd like to say that after being diagnosed my self that it hasn't changed anything but it has. I'm much more conscious of what I eat. I can feel when my blood pressure is high (or low). I can feel when my BG is high and low.

A word on metformin. It's used to treat many things dealing with blood sugar. I'm still on it mostly for a fatty liver as it is suppose to help in keeping the liver from absorbing so much sugar. The only issue I ever had was the first couple of weeks it gave me the runs a bit. After that things settled down. If your unsure why they a prescribing a med ask what it's going to do for you. Also ask for the side effects. If they can't or won't tell you that to me is a red flag in my opinion.
 
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