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- Type of diabetes
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- Tablets (oral)
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- Diet drinks - the artificial sweeteners taste vile.
Having to forswear foods I have loved all my life.
Trying to find low carb meals when eating out.
Thanks
My doctor seems fine giving me strips., at the moment anyway and they are covered by my exemption card.
With regards to keeping between 4-8 I’ve been told I have to be above 5-5.5.
I overdid the stripping out carbs last week and went down into low 4.
Although I drive all day so don’t know if that’s the difference.
@Cana
Hello Cana and welcome to the ForumHere is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will help.
BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS
Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.
A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.
On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.
The role of carbohydrate
Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.
If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.
The bad news
Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.
The good news
People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.
Controlling your carbs
The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
Reduce your carbohydrates
- Reduce your carbohydrate intake
- Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.
The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.
Choosing better carbohydrates
The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.
Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.
Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.
Eating what works for you
Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.
To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.
The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:
Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
- Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
- 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
- Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
- 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.
- Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
- 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
- structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
- self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education
Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.
You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.
Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.
- Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
- Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
Unfortunately HCP's that are clued up on T2 are few and far between. They continue to push the eatwell plate at us when this is absolutely the wrong thing to do.
Look around the site, read the success stories. So far as driving is concerned, you may need to test if you take insulin or drugs that can make you go low. If you are only on metformin, this should not happen.
Most of us rave about LCHF because we have found that it works for us. Yes it does go against most medical advice, yes it is confusing, yes some people feel as though they need to trust their HCPs.
Read, read and read some more. If you haven't already done so get Michael Moseleys 8 week sugar diet book (but don't get his recipe book) and Jason Fung's The Diabetes Code.
Ultimately it is up to you to make a decision as to how you are going to manage your diabetes. Nobody can manage it for you.
When you start off it is overwhelming. We know, we have all been where you are now. You will get shedloads of encouragment and support from this site. Ask questions, no such thing as a silly one. I got my hba1c down from 122 to 35 within 5 months with the help of this forum and LCHF.
Thank you.
I’m not on metformin as it made me I’ll. I’m on forxiga.
I got the 8 week blood sugar diet recipe book is that the one you said don’t get? Lol.
Forxiga - hypos if taken with sulphonylureas or insulin.
If you take any sulphonylureas then you need to test before driving.
I found that th blood sugar diet recipe book had far too many carbs in the recipes for me. I stick to under 20g carbs per day. It works for me. There are a huge number of recipes on the internet, google keto recipes and visit dietdoctor.com for ideas.
I have one or two cook books which are diabetic friendly, most of my others are no good at all!
I used to be a KFC fan. Now I have found a recipe that uses herbs and spices and a coating of crumbed pork scratchings which is really tasty. Lookup keto chocolate mug cake, under 2 minutes to make and serve with lashings of double cream! We are hardly starving!
I don’t take anything else with the forxiga
Also if I were to put on my tin foil conspiracy hat... it would demonstrate how appallingly bad the Eatwell Guide is for keeping blood sugars lower..This was halted nationally, not because it isn't necessary to test, or because it makes your fingers sore, or because it is stressful, but because of financial constraint.
Have you researched the very nasty side effects of Forxiga? ( dapagliflozin) If I were you, I would do some searches.
As regards who to believe, everyone on this forum is a diabetic of one sort or another with a vast amount of experience and knowledge, and many members do mounds of research and pass on their knowledge to others. General Practitioner doctors and their nurses are most likely not diabetic. Most GPs were trained years ago and maybe spent an hour on diabetes and even less on nutrition. Most local surgery nurses are not specialists in diabetes. I know who I choose to believe.
As for testing, you are quite right. You will never know if you are low or high without testing, and will never know what your food choices are doing to your blood sugars. In the old days everyone was prescribed a meter in the UK. This was halted nationally, not because it isn't necessary to test, or because it makes your fingers sore, or because it is stressful, but because of financial constraint.
I’m not getting any side effects.
To be honest the ones I got from metformin were dreadful.
Diarrhoea, stabbing pains in stomach and arms.
So far on forxiga I’ve had none.
I also have Ibs so she is avoiding tablets with stomach side effects. Plus the driving side of things
I'm not surprised you are confused as we all expect to be able to rely on what doctors and diabetic nurses tell us.
Unfortunately in most of the western world, they tell us that diabetes is a progressive disease, that we will eventually need more and more drugs and we will get the complications that come from high blood glucose levels. And they tell us not to test as it costs too much and might worry us and we don't need to know what is happening to our bodies.
Luckily for us none of this is true for those with type 2 diabetes. We do need to test to see what various foods do to our levels. If we want to stay fit and healthy and avoid all the diabetes complications, most of us need to stop eating the sugar and carbohydrate that causes the problem for us. Eat low carb, healthy fat and you will lose weight, feel fitter and energetic and achieve normal blood glucose levels and hence normal HbA1c levels. Most of us on this site follow that advice and we achieve what many of our health care professionals tell us is impossible!
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