• Guest - w'd love to know what you think about the forum! Take the 2025 Survey »

Unexpected Blood Sugar After Cake

Thanks
My doctor seems fine giving me strips., at the moment anyway and they are covered by my exemption card.

With regards to keeping between 4-8 I’ve been told I have to be above 5-5.5.
I overdid the stripping out carbs last week and went down into low 4.
Although I drive all day so don’t know if that’s the difference.

If you can get below 5 on diet alone then you are doing good. I had a look through this thread and I couldn't see that you were taking any medication.

On diet alone or diet and Metformin I don't think you should be worrying about going below 5.5 - this seems like the advice they give to T1s and also T2s on insulin or other hypo risk medications.

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html should give you an idea, and you will note than non-diabetic normal starts at 4, so low 4s is fine as far as I can see.
 
@Cana

Hello Cana and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
@Cana

Hello Cana and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.

That’s really helpful thank you.

To be honest I’m just completely confused. The doctor/nurse are saying one thing and on here everyone is saying something else.
At the moment I have no idea which one I should do.

There is just so much to take in,

In terms of testing the doctor wants me to be careful because I’m a driving instructor. So if I start getting low sugars in car and then there could be issue. But that in itself is confusing because I can have low sugar in the car regardless even if I don’t test so the fact I’m diabetic if I test and I’m low I know I can eat and bring it up (and test to show I was high enough before driving). If I don’t I don’t know if I should eat because quite frankly I can feel like I should eat when sugars are high so I’m completely confused.

If I don’t test how do I know if I should eat or not. If I eat and it’s high I’m eating unnecessarily and won’t lose weight!! But at the and time I don’t want to go against what the doctor said because well, she is trained and I’m not (she is also diabetic doctor).

It’s soooo confusing and frustrating.
 
Unfortunately HCP's that are clued up on T2 are few and far between. They continue to push the eatwell plate at us when this is absolutely the wrong thing to do.

Look around the site, read the success stories. So far as driving is concerned, you may need to test if you take insulin or drugs that can make you go low. If you are only on metformin, this should not happen.

Most of us rave about LCHF because we have found that it works for us. Yes it does go against most medical advice, yes it is confusing, yes some people feel as though they need to trust their HCPs.

Read, read and read some more. If you haven't already done so get Michael Moseleys 8 week sugar diet book (but don't get his recipe book) and Jason Fung's The Diabetes Code.

Ultimately it is up to you to make a decision as to how you are going to manage your diabetes. Nobody can manage it for you.

When you start off it is overwhelming. We know, we have all been where you are now. You will get shedloads of encouragment and support from this site. Ask questions, no such thing as a silly one. I got my hba1c down from 122 to 35 within 5 months with the help of this forum and LCHF.
 
Unfortunately HCP's that are clued up on T2 are few and far between. They continue to push the eatwell plate at us when this is absolutely the wrong thing to do.

Look around the site, read the success stories. So far as driving is concerned, you may need to test if you take insulin or drugs that can make you go low. If you are only on metformin, this should not happen.

Most of us rave about LCHF because we have found that it works for us. Yes it does go against most medical advice, yes it is confusing, yes some people feel as though they need to trust their HCPs.

Read, read and read some more. If you haven't already done so get Michael Moseleys 8 week sugar diet book (but don't get his recipe book) and Jason Fung's The Diabetes Code.

Ultimately it is up to you to make a decision as to how you are going to manage your diabetes. Nobody can manage it for you.

When you start off it is overwhelming. We know, we have all been where you are now. You will get shedloads of encouragment and support from this site. Ask questions, no such thing as a silly one. I got my hba1c down from 122 to 35 within 5 months with the help of this forum and LCHF.

Thank you.
I’m not on metformin as it made me I’ll. I’m on forxiga.

I got the 8 week blood sugar diet recipe book is that the one you said don’t get? Lol.
 
Thank you.
I’m not on metformin as it made me I’ll. I’m on forxiga.

I got the 8 week blood sugar diet recipe book is that the one you said don’t get? Lol.

Forxiga - hypos if taken with sulphonylureas or insulin.
If you take any sulphonylureas then you need to test before driving.

I found that th blood sugar diet recipe book had far too many carbs in the recipes for me. I stick to under 20g carbs per day. It works for me. There are a huge number of recipes on the internet, google keto recipes and visit dietdoctor.com for ideas.

I have one or two cook books which are diabetic friendly, most of my others are no good at all!

I used to be a KFC fan. Now I have found a recipe that uses herbs and spices and a coating of crumbed pork scratchings which is really tasty. Lookup keto chocolate mug cake, under 2 minutes to make and serve with lashings of double cream! We are hardly starving!
 
Forxiga - hypos if taken with sulphonylureas or insulin.
If you take any sulphonylureas then you need to test before driving.

I found that th blood sugar diet recipe book had far too many carbs in the recipes for me. I stick to under 20g carbs per day. It works for me. There are a huge number of recipes on the internet, google keto recipes and visit dietdoctor.com for ideas.

I have one or two cook books which are diabetic friendly, most of my others are no good at all!

I used to be a KFC fan. Now I have found a recipe that uses herbs and spices and a coating of crumbed pork scratchings which is really tasty. Lookup keto chocolate mug cake, under 2 minutes to make and serve with lashings of double cream! We are hardly starving!

I don’t take anything else with the forxiga
 
I don’t take anything else with the forxiga

Have you researched the very nasty side effects of Forxiga? ( dapagliflozin) If I were you, I would do some searches.

As regards who to believe, everyone on this forum is a diabetic of one sort or another with a vast amount of experience and knowledge, and many members do mounds of research and pass on their knowledge to others. General Practitioner doctors and their nurses are most likely not diabetic. Most GPs were trained years ago and maybe spent an hour on diabetes and even less on nutrition. Most local surgery nurses are not specialists in diabetes. I know who I choose to believe.

As for testing, you are quite right. You will never know if you are low or high without testing, and will never know what your food choices are doing to your blood sugars. In the old days everyone was prescribed a meter in the UK. This was halted nationally, not because it isn't necessary to test, or because it makes your fingers sore, or because it is stressful, but because of financial constraint.
 
This was halted nationally, not because it isn't necessary to test, or because it makes your fingers sore, or because it is stressful, but because of financial constraint.
Also if I were to put on my tin foil conspiracy hat... it would demonstrate how appallingly bad the Eatwell Guide is for keeping blood sugars lower..
 
Have you researched the very nasty side effects of Forxiga? ( dapagliflozin) If I were you, I would do some searches.

As regards who to believe, everyone on this forum is a diabetic of one sort or another with a vast amount of experience and knowledge, and many members do mounds of research and pass on their knowledge to others. General Practitioner doctors and their nurses are most likely not diabetic. Most GPs were trained years ago and maybe spent an hour on diabetes and even less on nutrition. Most local surgery nurses are not specialists in diabetes. I know who I choose to believe.

As for testing, you are quite right. You will never know if you are low or high without testing, and will never know what your food choices are doing to your blood sugars. In the old days everyone was prescribed a meter in the UK. This was halted nationally, not because it isn't necessary to test, or because it makes your fingers sore, or because it is stressful, but because of financial constraint.

I’m not getting any side effects.
To be honest the ones I got from metformin were dreadful.
Diarrhoea, stabbing pains in stomach and arms.

So far on forxiga I’ve had none.
I also have Ibs so she is avoiding tablets with stomach side effects. Plus the driving side of things
 
I'm not surprised you are confused as we all expect to be able to rely on what doctors and diabetic nurses tell us.
Unfortunately in most of the western world, they tell us that diabetes is a progressive disease, that we will eventually need more and more drugs and we will get the complications that come from high blood glucose levels. And they tell us not to test as it costs too much and might worry us and we don't need to know what is happening to our bodies.
Luckily for us none of this is true for those with type 2 diabetes. We do need to test to see what various foods do to our levels. If we want to stay fit and healthy and avoid all the diabetes complications, most of us need to stop eating the sugar and carbohydrate that causes the problem for us. Eat low carb, healthy fat and you will lose weight, feel fitter and energetic and achieve normal blood glucose levels and hence normal HbA1c levels. Most of us on this site follow that advice and we achieve what many of our health care professionals tell us is impossible!
 
I’m not getting any side effects.
To be honest the ones I got from metformin were dreadful.
Diarrhoea, stabbing pains in stomach and arms.

So far on forxiga I’ve had none.
I also have Ibs so she is avoiding tablets with stomach side effects. Plus the driving side of things

Fingers crossed this continues for you.
 
I'm not surprised you are confused as we all expect to be able to rely on what doctors and diabetic nurses tell us.
Unfortunately in most of the western world, they tell us that diabetes is a progressive disease, that we will eventually need more and more drugs and we will get the complications that come from high blood glucose levels. And they tell us not to test as it costs too much and might worry us and we don't need to know what is happening to our bodies.
Luckily for us none of this is true for those with type 2 diabetes. We do need to test to see what various foods do to our levels. If we want to stay fit and healthy and avoid all the diabetes complications, most of us need to stop eating the sugar and carbohydrate that causes the problem for us. Eat low carb, healthy fat and you will lose weight, feel fitter and energetic and achieve normal blood glucose levels and hence normal HbA1c levels. Most of us on this site follow that advice and we achieve what many of our health care professionals tell us is impossible!

Hi smw, I agree with you wholeheartedly and do not think this is true for type 1's either. We too need to test for all the reasons you have said as well as to determine how much insulin we might need to inject to stay alive and not end up in hospital. Diabetes in itself might well be a progressive disease but by testing, calculating, eating well etc, etc we can at least minimise its effects, and this goes for all of us. x
 
Back
Top