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Avocado Sevenfold said:
These people you don't know but have read about, I suspect may be dietary vegans and not ethical vegans. They are quite different. I don't personally know any no-plant eaters or dietary vegans, but know lots of ethical ones and you will be happy to learn we are all healthy and happy.
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I'm not sure that I understand the difference in what the two types would eat though?
 
bulkbiker said:
I'm not sure that I understand the difference in what the two types would eat though?
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Eating would be the same, but the motivation to eat that way for life would be very different. This is why I suggested they might have been dietary vegans. We all know it is easy to give up a diet, but giving up your belief system is very different because that is who you are how you live your life and not just what you eat :)
 
Freema said:
well there are many reasons to become B 12 deficiant , one main reason is that metformin actually lowers ones abillity to uptake vitamin B 12 ... and maybe think metfomine even damage the cells in the intestines that are the only ones that can uptake vitamin B 12 , otherwise one has to have injections of vitamin B 12 .... vegans dont get enough vitamin B 12 because vitamin B 12 is only found in foods made of animal stuff also like eggs...
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hen becomming older some also loose the abillity to uptake vitamin B 12 and in previous times they would have has a miserable life and died initially..

usualy the liver has a store of vitamin B 12 that can last up til 6 years , so going vegan will many times not result in a measuralble deficiency untill many years later like 6 years after becomming vegan, .. it is thought though that the body tries to save vitamin B 12 for the most essential use in the body , but the symptoms and damage that is unfortunately very often ireversible are nerve damage ....

the autoimune reactions toward ones own body and different functions also seem to cause a higher rate of diabetes and also casue sometimes the damage of these very special cells in the intestine that can uptake vitamin B 12 which maybe why there are many people in this forum having a lack of vitamin B 12 ...

there are reasosn for the deficiensy but the causing reason are many times not the same... it is a known fact that vegans very often end up with vitamin B12 deficiency.. many do "sin" and eat some animal stuff on seldome occasions and thereby delate the time where they´ll get this damage that vitamin B 12 deficiency causes...

Even vegan organisations aknowledge this problem , so it is certainly not something I have found up for being rude to vegans, and yes it can be taken as pill suplement which is why I believe humans were not truely ment to be pure vegans ... some do avoid even taking pills as they think that is also un-natural and that is a problem if one is vegan...
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The Vegan Society in the UK recommends that everyone over 50 should take a B12 supplement regardless of their way of eating as our bodies become less efficient as we age, plus the soil the herbivores eat is not of great quality these days due to intensive farming. This is why animals are sometimes injected with B12 as mentioned in the video you posted. Fortunately, vegans are more "B12 aware" than the general population so deficiency is not such a problem.

"it is a known fact that vegans very often end up with vitamin B12 deficiency.. many do "sin" and eat some animal stuff on seldome occasions" - Come on Freema, this is just offensive!
 
Freema said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25644903
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It is wrong to call someone a part-time vegan because they don't eat animals before 6pm. It would be like calling the intermittent fasting breakfast dodgers on here "part-time breatharians."

I am a big fan of Veganuary though as it is a wonderful festival to make people think about food, where it comes from, other options. It has gathered pace a lot since your link from a few years ago. There is another festival in the news this week making some people discuss food choices here. People draw their line in different places.
 
Avocado Sevenfold said:
It is wrong to call someone a part-time vegan because they don't eat animals before 6pm. It would be like calling the intermittent fasting breakfast dodgers on here "part-time breatharians."

I am a big fan of Veganuary though as it is a wonderful festival to make people think about food, where it comes from, other options. It has gathered pace a lot since your link from a few years ago. There is another festival in the news this week making some people discuss food choices here. People draw their line in different places.
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well I agree with you that many and maybe even most animals are treated grusomely today in moderne farming if it is dog or pigs it is just as evil
 
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