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Thanks for that guys it's been very helpful. I will be purchasing the books.. Think i also need a carb counter book.. tried looking for a app for my i phone but cant find a good one thats not american so it may have to be a good old fashioned pocket book..
This seems like the way forward for me regarding diet and long term life changes.. Thanks again guys for your support.


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There is an app called carbs and calls by yello balboboa (probably spelt wrong) & someone else. They do a book too which shows pictures and is quite easy to use. The app isn't very expensive and is useful as its always with you (if you're like me and always have your phone with you).

They've also done a more recent one which also include a protein count for different foods.

Another option is to get one of the scales that tells you nutritional values of foods.


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Hi all,

I've been type 1 for 17 yrs and only just heard about the low carb option through this forum. I've started dieting and going to the gym much more frequently and noticed a dramatic drop in the amount of insulin Im needing. I inject 4 times a day, just wondered how much insulin you are needing on the low carb option?

Thanks


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Have a look at the above thread as few people have put how much insulin they are taking.

I'm a type 1 too and I would highly recommend reading Dr Bersteins diabetes solution if you are thinking of low carbing. Even if you don't decide to be as extremely low carb as he suggests this is a useful book and discusses bolousing for protein when low carbing.

I had diabetes for about 15 years before low carbing and it has improved my sugar levels a great deal, but it isn't for everyone. It also reduced my insulin levels a lot too.

Any questions just ask!


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I've been on the low carb diet for three months now. I've dropped over two stone and feel amazing. I avoided pills by getting on the low carb diet from day one, and not telling my doctor until a couple of weeks (and minus 10lbs) later.

What happened for me was I had a friend, who is a nutritionist, point me in the direction of the Bergstein Diet when I was first diagnosed diabetic. To me, it feels as if she saved my life that day. She told me not to tell my doctor I was on a 'low carb' or 'keto' diet because there is still a mix of opinion in the medical profession about it--I can't remember the name she told me to use now, meto-something-or-other diet. Some doctors are amazing and open to the concept of low carb diets, others stick to what they know--the archaic theory about carbs being a good thing.

I told my doctor I was on a diet. I didn't mention which one. Two weeks in, I'd lost weight and my blood sugar had dropped by astronomical amounts. I then told my doctor what diet I was on, and she was pleased with it and told me to try it out for 3 months to see how I go. No medication, no worries, just three months to get it working, which I think I've done. The blood test results for that come back in three days, and I'll then be able to call it a success *fingers crossed*.

At the end of the day, it's your body and it's your choice on what opinion you choose to listen to. I listened to Dr Bergstein and an independant nutritionist, rather than tell my doctor what kind of diet I was going on, because apparently a lot of doctors will advise their patients to get loaded up on pills and eat a lot of carbs, rather than suggesting the Bergstein diet, which from what I can see is the best solution for Type2 diabetics.

I'm no expert, but the scientific fact that there is nothing nutritional in a carbohydrate that the human body needs was a big decider for me. "Carbohydrates are a common source of energy in living organisms; however, no carbohydrate is an essential nutrient in humans." - Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbohydrate

Also, the fact that the word 'carbohydrate' is scientifically called saccharide, which comes from the Greek meaning for 'sugar' kind of makes me sceptical about the need for carbs at all, especially when your'e trying to lower your blood sugar. Carbs are sugar at the end of the day. There's a lot of hype around the subject, and I'm not a scientist who can argue it, but there really isn't any scientific proof that I can find which shows that a low carb diet is bad for you. There's a lot of statistical data that proves high-carb foods are cheaper to produce and just about every major food industry relies on them to make their products, but very rarely have I seen big business benefit anyone's health.

There's a lot of sniping about the low carb diet. 'May cause bad breath' was the dire warning on one site that made me p*ss myself laughing. I'd read around and make the decision on your diet based on the hard facts.

For me, I look at the bread counter and see brightly packaged poison these days. But it's an ongoing argument, especially in the medical profession. I think the answer is to follow the science and your body's reaction to a diet, to figure out if it is the right one for you. Not all doctors are going to agree with a low carb diet, but then, it isn't their body that's suffering is it? Not all diets will suit everyone. You need to test them out and see how you feel.

My choice was pretty easy. I've been misdiagnosed by doctors a few times now, whereas my nutritionist friend is a member of Mensa with an insanely high IQ, who has never been wrong about anything in her entire life. She pointed me to the Bergstein Diet and links to all the research about it, and I jumped on it because it has an 84% reversal rate for Type2's.
 
2guns1687 said:
i was on the phone to my dafne nurse and told her i was on a keto diet and explained the ins and out of the benefits etc and how ketosis is harmless as long as my bg is good, and she advised against it told me i should get my carb counting right and should have more carbs etc, basically disagreed with everything i said so basically it was a waste of time.
Maybe you should ask her to produce evidence that the minimum dietary requirements of glucose, fructose or galactose exist for humans in the first place :)
 
SamJB said:
Carb counting, whilst working for some, is a complete let down for most. The National Diabetes Audit recorded the HbA1c of all diabetics in the UK and found that 94% of Type 1s aren't hitting the 6.5% target. That is a fatal and catastrophic failure of carb counting advice. I suspect that they are worried by eating more fats, but having a high HbA1c is much worse than having high cholesterol - that is a fact.

The interesting thing is that high carbohydrate consumption is likely increase "cholesterol levels" anyway... Since excess sugars are converted to fats by the liver and "shipped out" in VLDL together with some cholesterol. The liver needs insulin to do this with glucose, but not with fructose or galactose. (You'd typically only see high levels of the latter two in the hepatic portal vein.) Glucose can also be converted to fat within fat cells, which also requires insulin.
 
Patch13 said:
Being type 1 I get told I NEED carbs, which as I have found out is untrue and without them my sugars are better.
It makes no difference if you are diabetic or non diabetic (let alone T1, T1.5, T2 or MODY) the human body is perfectly capable of producing whatever amount of glucose, fructose or galactose it actually needs. Even if you ate NONE at all.
 
Claire87 said:
Also, the fact that the word 'carbohydrate' is scientifically called saccharide, which comes from the Greek meaning for 'sugar' kind of makes me sceptical about the need for carbs at all, especially when your'e trying to lower your blood sugar. Carbs are sugar at the end of the day. There's a lot of hype around the subject, and I'm not a scientist who can argue it, but there really isn't any scientific proof that I can find which shows that a low carb diet is bad for you. There's a lot of statistical data that proves high-carb foods are cheaper to produce and just about every major food industry relies on them to make their products, but very rarely have I seen big business benefit anyone's health.

I wonder when it stopped being commonly know that ALL carbohydrates are made up of sugars. Something not helped by current food labels which group monosaccharides together with disaccharides as "sugars". The entirety of dietary carbohydrates is only 8 chemical compounds anyway.
 
mpe said:
Claire87 said:
Also, the fact that the word 'carbohydrate' is scientifically called saccharide, which comes from the Greek meaning for 'sugar' kind of makes me sceptical about the need for carbs at all, especially when your'e trying to lower your blood sugar. Carbs are sugar at the end of the day. There's a lot of hype around the subject, and I'm not a scientist who can argue it, but there really isn't any scientific proof that I can find which shows that a low carb diet is bad for you. There's a lot of statistical data that proves high-carb foods are cheaper to produce and just about every major food industry relies on them to make their products, but very rarely have I seen big business benefit anyone's health.

I wonder when it stopped being commonly know that ALL carbohydrates are made up of sugars. Something not helped by current food labels which group monosaccharides together with disaccharides as "sugars". The entirety of dietary carbohydrates is only 8 chemical compounds anyway.

Until I got diabetes, I had no idea what a carb was. I don't think I'm alone in that. Most people (in my experience) seem to think it is a nutrient like fibre. I have to wonder why it is called a carb, you know the entymology of the word. Saccaride would scream sugar out to me if I saw it on a packet, but carbohydrate used to sound so harmless back in the day.

From what I gather on the subject, there is nothing nutritional in a carbohydrate that the human body needs. That being said, I don't think people will ever live without carbs. There are carbs in fruit and vegetables and we need the nutrients from those, but there is no need for people to be eating the level of carbs they eat now. Mass produced goods take carb intake to a level of insane. It's why diabetes is on the rise as home cooking declines. You can't buy a premade salad that doesn't have 100g of carbs in it. They load in the cheap pasta for no apparent reason. It all just screams cheap food for the masses to me. Carb foods are cheap. That's why they're in everything we buy. Carbohydrate is not the scientific term for it, so why call it that and not sugar?

I dunno. Do you know why they call it a carb? I might check out the entymology. I used to assume it was the scientific name, but since it isn't, I'm now curious why sugar was veiled under that word in the first place. If you know the answer let me know. I love exploring words and their meanings :)
 
Ooh found it:
The name carbohydrate was given to these compounds because, in composition, they are apparently hydrates of carbon. In structure, however, they are far more complex.

Hydrates of Carbon - okay now it makes a bit of sense. We are carbon-based lifeforms after all.
 
I've been low carb for about 8 years. I know nurses don't like it. I suggest you ask her what will happen to you if you continue and what the symptoms are you need to look out for. She's most unlikely to have an answer. I'm still healthy!
Hana
 
hanadr said:
I've been low carb for about 8 years. I know nurses don't like it. I suggest you ask her what will happen to you if you continue and what the symptoms are you need to look out for. She's most unlikely to have an answer. I'm still healthy!
Hana

Just to add to that. I just got back from the doctor's with an all clear 'remission' from my blood tests after being on a low carb diet. I told my doctor that I was on the Bergstein diet (first time I told them what I was actually doing since it had worked). She was very interested in it and wrote down the name of the diet and asked me about it. I told her about the testing done by Duke University on Type2 diabetics and the 84% diabetes reversal rate their results had. I bet she's going to do some research into it.

I think a lot of the medical profession are misinformed about low carb diets, or just don't know enough about them. There haven't been enough low carb tests,there isn't enough documentation about it and the low carb diet has been branded with a bad name via the press rather than hard scientific facts.

I think there are some doctors and nurses who know about it and advise accordingly, some who are on the fence, but are open-minded to find out more, and then there are those who are stuck in their ways and following the teachings they had ten years ago.

Even now, with my results. I can't blatantly say 'A low carb diet is good'. I'm just one person that it worked wonders on. Different people have different dietary needs. But, I'd love to see some actual testing done on the subect in the UK. I believe that the low carb diet is the answer, but I'm no scientist.

I am however, disallusioned by the food production industry. That skinny girl in the red swimsuit in the Special K advert comes to mind. I can't help but feel that the reason low carb diets get hit with bad press so much and don't get tested scientifically is more about making money and less about making people healthy.
 
Claire87 said:
hanadr said:
I've been low carb for about 8 years. I know nurses don't like it. I suggest you ask her what will happen to you if you continue and what the symptoms are you need to look out for. She's most unlikely to have an answer. I'm still healthy!
Hana

Just to add to that. I just got back from the doctor's with an all clear 'remission' from my blood tests after being on a low carb diet. I told my doctor that I was on the Bergstein diet (first time I told them what I was actually doing since it had worked). She was very interested in it and wrote down the name of the diet and asked me about it. I told her about the testing done by Duke University on Type2 diabetics and the 84% diabetes reversal rate their results had. I bet she's going to do some research into it.

I think a lot of the medical profession are misinformed about low carb diets, or just don't know enough about them. There haven't been enough low carb tests,there isn't enough documentation about it and the low carb diet has been branded with a bad name via the press rather than hard scientific facts.

I think there are some doctors and nurses who know about it and advise accordingly, some who are on the fence, but are open-minded to find out more, and then there are those who are stuck in their ways and following the teachings they had ten years ago.

Even now, with my results. I can't blatantly say 'A low carb diet is good'. I'm just one person that it worked wonders on. Different people have different dietary needs. But, I'd love to see some actual testing done on the subect in the UK. I believe that the low carb diet is the answer, but I'm no scientist.

I am however, disallusioned by the food production industry. That skinny girl in the red swimsuit in the Special K advert comes to mind. I can't help but feel that the reason low carb diets get hit with bad press so much and don't get tested scientifically is more about making money and less about making people healthy.

Hi Clare

You've said you are following Bergstein's diet. What is the name of it?

I'm following Dr Bernstein's low carb diet and didn't know if the name is a typo or if there is another low carb diet that I haven't found? If I haven't read it then I would definitely be interested in doing so.
 
Hi Patch :)

It's based on the Bergstein research. It's often called the Keto diet because you go through Ketosis to use fats for energy rather than carbs. I mean essentially my diet was me counting carbs and watching the weight fall off. It's used by bodybuilders and doctors often prescribe it to obese people who can't get out of bed because of their weight. It's a short term diet to lose weight, but it also lowers your blood sugars because of the reduced sugar/carb intake.

Duke University used the Bergstein theory to test the diet on 1000s of Type2 diabetics. The results it wielded was an 84% reversal rate of diabetes. So remission as well as weightloss. The reason it's good is that it has two hits for diabetics. Type2 diabetes is often brought on by weight, so the weightloss deals with that. But the diet also lowers your blood sugar as well and can make your body recognise it's own natural insulin again.

Again, not scientifically proven yet, but the theory is that too many carbohydrates and caffeine make your body immune to your natural insulin, thus causing Type2 diabetes. By losing weight and cutting down caffeine and carbs, you are also making your body aware of it's own insulin.

On the diet itself, it depends on the person: what they want to eat and how they process food. In my case, I started at no more than 20g of carbs a day and as much fat as I wanted. I went through ketosis (the process where your body stops using carbs for energy and changes over to use fats for energy instead). This process takes about 2 weeks, during which for 1-2 days you will feel tired. The reason you get tired is your body is changing over it's energy source, so there is a day or two when it is doing that. This is normal and you know it's working if you get that.

After the initial two weeks, I stuck to 20g of carbs a day because it was easy to. All I counted was carbs. On fats and calories, I ate what I wanted. So I cut sugar, cereals and breads. I avoided potatoes, pastas and rice. I replaced sugar with Splenda and ate a lot more fats than I used to, but also a lot of vegetables, especially leafy green ones.

Whatever you like eating, there is always something you can make that is the same but with much less carbs. I found it was a case of changing some ingredients around.

Unlike a low-fat diet, my weightloss was steady and sustainable on the keto diet. I lost 2lbs a week, like clockwork. I also found that I lost a lot of body fat, unlike the low-fat diet. So I'm wearing clothes in much smaller sizes than I ever did at a lower weigh than I am now. Using fats for energy seems to eat all the fat off my body as well as all the fat I consume for energy.

It's a pretty simple diet really. Count carbs. Go through ketosis. Stay in ketosis with a low carb diet until the weight is all gone. Then live a 'reduced-carb' lifestyle after that to maintain a steady weight.

I haven't got to the last bit yet. I've got a few more pounds to go before my ideal weight, but I've dropped 30lbs in three months and been told that I'm not longer diabetic according to my blood test today. I have to go a year with that diagnosis and the same blood level before I can call it remission, but basically I'm not actually diabetic after three months on this diet and I'm much thinner.

I hope this helps :)
 
Hi Claire87, many congratulations on your recent success. With regard to the question posed by Patch13, I do think that you are getting mixed up with Dr. Richard Bernstein who advocates ketosis through a high fat low carb diet. His research was at Duke university was funded by the Robert Atkins Foundation. There are many studies and books by both men that are well worth a read.
 
diadeb said:
Hi Claire87, many congratulations on your recent success. With regard to the question posed by Patch13, I do think that you are getting mixed up with Dr. Richard Bernstein who advocates ketosis through a high fat low carb diet. His research was at Duke university was funded by the Robert Atkins Foundation. There are many studies and books by both men that are well worth a read.

Thanks :)

Gah Bernstein, you're right! I'll check out the books and the Atkins diet. I never looked into the Atkins diet, but I know it's a similar style of diet. The one I'm specifically on is called the 'Keto diet'. Bodybuilders use it mostly, but it's probably the same thing under a different name (ketotis etc.). Whatever it's called, from my own results, I do feel that it's certainly the diet for me. Do you know if the studies have been proven in the scientific community? I know there is a lot of hype around the Atkins diet, but I do wonder if any of the results were ever published.
 
2guns1687 said:
I was trying to explain to my DN that ketosis is toally fine as long as my blood sugars are perfect it is only when they go high it will become ketoACIDosis but all i got in reply was "who told you this" "where did you do your research" basically trying to belittle me to an extent, she also said that even if my blood sugars are fine but i am producing ketones my blood will be acidotic and that is dangerous :s

Maybe you should have asked her what qualifications she has in chemistry and if she understands that blood is a "buffer solution".
Indeed some organic acids (e.g. ascorbic acid) are essential nutrients. (No doubt a huge variety of organic acids are routinely carried in the blood with its pH remaining within 0.05 of 7.4)
 
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