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Vitamin D3 deficiency

oldsurveyor

oldsurveyor

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Has anyone done any research in this area?
I'm learning that a large group of us humanoid type people are becoming more and more deficient specifically in the D3 vitamin. Apparently from not spending as much time outside as our ancestors did.
I'm learning that side effects from D3 deficiency are wide and varied but cellular development and cell tasking are some of what I've found to be the most interesting effects, as they pertain to what each cell is supposed to be doing if functioning properly.
But apparently without sufficient D3 and A vitamins the key to unlocking the DNA instructions is lost, so the cell is without the blueprints or marching orders from the DNA.
So it does what it feels is best and each cell works on its own without the plan in hand.
Chaos ensues quickly and we start developing immune system issues, headaches, cancer, thyroid issues, joint inflammation and many other old age disorders.
In other words, the lack of sufficient levels of D3 is killing us.
I can't image that it's not also making diabetic symptoms worse.
25-30 years of study has set some boundaries for D3 "normal" levels but as a very large percent of the control population is probably deficient then the control "normal" range is way low.
Thus when our blood is checked for D3 the Docs are comparing it with low levels and say we are in the normal range.
However "normal" is probably about 1/3 of what we actually need for our bodies to function properly as it did when we were young.
It fascinating to me and I'm wondering if anyone else has run across this research in their search for healthier living with diabetes.

I would love to read your input.
 
I try to get a total of 3,000 to 5,000 IUs a day from either sun exposure or supplements or both. I haven't done a lot of studying on this, but I saw once in a youtube presentation that you should have a level of at least 24 ng/mL. I found a nice iPhone app that estimates your D3 level based on sun exposure and supplements. It can estimate the amount of D3 you are getting from sun exposure based on the suns azimuth (based on your location and time of day), exposure time, and amount of exposed skin. It's called 'dminder'. It's not free, but it's worth the small price.
 
D3 is metabolised in the body when it has to process fructose and that is why we get more and more deficient as we eat more and more of the stuff. Nature only intended us to have fructose in abundance in the late summer when our levels of vitD would be high but like always we humans know better until we prove ourselves ignorant.
 
From what I've read recently we should be around 75 to 100 ng/ml and that "normal" of 15 to 35 ng/ml is actually based on a control population that is deficient.
Kind of like Mr Fahrenheit's wife running a fever when he was using her temp as a basis for his thermometer scale.
His attempt to set normal at 100*F ended up being 98.6 when all was settled.
I'm taking 10,000 IU/day as maintenance but started out with 50,000 IU/day for 5 days to front load my system.
The first sign of improvement was my immune system waking up from hibernation and my allergies went crazy.
I'm using 5000 IU drops sublingual.
It's easy.
But it's also important to get the complementary vitamins also to help your body utilize the D3, like viT A and zinc and boron and calcium and magnesium and viT K
I really think that getting my body health back up to its maximum capacity I need the right tools on board.
I'm really excited about this " new to me" discovery and how it might effect the way my body uses the food I give it and possibly repairs some of the damage I've done over time abusing my body with work and poor nutrition
 
oldsurveyor said:
From what I've read recently we should be around 75 to 100 ng/ml and that "normal" of 15 to 35 ng/ml is actually based on a control population that is deficient.
Kind of like Mr Fahrenheit's wife running a fever when he was using her temp as a basis for his thermometer scale.
His attempt to set normal at 100*F ended up being 98.6 when all was settled.
I'm taking 10,000 IU/day as maintenance but started out with 50,000 IU/day for 5 days to front load my system.
The first sign of improvement was my immune system waking up from hibernation and my allergies went crazy.
I'm using 5000 IU drops sublingual.
It's easy.
But it's also important to get the complementary vitamins also to help your body utilize the D3, like viT A and zinc and boron and calcium and magnesium and viT K
I really think that getting my body health back up to its maximum capacity I need the right tools on board.
I'm really excited about this " new to me" discovery and how it might effect the way my body uses the food I give it and possibly repairs some of the damage I've done over time abusing my body with work and poor nutrition
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If I've correctly understood the info at the link above, the recommended maximum daily intake is 4,000 IU and toxicity can develop at higher levels. Just wanted to note this for those who are reading.
 
Thanks for pointing that out.
Hopefully people will look at other articles too, because I believe that is incorrect.
Many ongoing studies are proving otherwise.
I'm careful not to exceed 300,000 IU per month.
There is a lot of scare out there that is unwarranted.
In fact, there are supplements offered in 50,000 IU per dose increments. ( in one capsule)
 
oldsurveyor said:
Thanks for pointing that out.
Hopefully people will look at other articles too, because I believe that is incorrect.
Many ongoing studies are proving otherwise.
I'm careful not to exceed 300,000 IU per month.
There is a lot of scare out there that is unwarranted.
In fact, there are supplements offered in 50,000 IU per dose increments. ( in one capsule)
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The source was the US Dept of Health and Human Services', National Institutes of Health's, Office of Dietary Supplements. They base their info on scientific research.
 
The Vitamin D Council website seems to have some good information:
https://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/am-i-deficient-in-vitamin-d/

Having been diagnosed with a deficiency and experiencing an amazing sense of well-being after supplementation, it's not something I ever want to experience again. I'm not comfortable with the idea of mega doses, doesn't seem logical to me, so I prefer to take 2,000iu daily, plus try and get 20 minutes exposure each day.

According to Chris Kresser, Vitamin D is a "Goldilocks" supplement - too little and too much can both be problematic. For anyone interested, he did a podcast where he updated his recommendations (there's also a transcript if you scroll down):

http://chriskresser.com/surprising-...-and-how-the-internet-is-rewiring-our-brains/
 
I seem to recall one of our members (who I haven't seen post in a while) MudIslandDweller had major issues with Vitamin toxicity and calcium buildup, so I really wouldn't want to go overboard with the stuff unless you have a diagnosed deficiency.
 
I'm with @CatLadyNZ and @Indy51 on this one. I am diagnosed vit D defiency and I take 2000iu daily + outside exposure. Have my levels checked every 6 months to ensure and its been OK for the last 3 years ( prior to that I was on injections for 8 years). I would be really worried about vit D and calcium overload! Sue xx
 
After finding that I was D3 deficient in a routine Well Man check up in December, I started on D3 supplements. Initially I took 5,000iu per day, but after a three smonths rolled back to 2,500iu per day once the days started getting longer and I was getting more sun. It's getting to that time of the year where I should be going back to 5,000iu as my mornings I never see the sun and often throughout the GMT period I don't get outside to see the sun except at weekends...

I do wonder whether SAD is also a reaction to a lack of D3?
 
tim2000s said:
After finding that I was D3 deficient in a routine Well Man check up in December, I started on D3 supplements. Initially I took 5,000iu per day, but after a three smonths rolled back to 2,500iu per day once the days started getting longer and I was getting more sun. It's getting to that time of the year where I should be going back to 5,000iu as my mornings I never see the sun and often throughout the GMT period I don't get outside to see the sun except at weekends...

I do wonder whether SAD is also a reaction to a lack of D3?
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My GP seems to be of the opinion that D3 deficiency can be a factor in depression. She suggested I go on supplements, which I thought was pretty impressive coming from a GP. Usually I go to her with something and ask if it might be helpful.
 
Just to be clear, I'm not recommending anything to anyone as I am not your doctor.
The original post is pretty clearly asking if anyone else has done any research in this area.
As to the scare about toxicity issues, I think it's important that if you are taking supplements of ANY kind to follow up with testing to be sure that levels are correct.

The issue that I'm raising is that long thought norms are being disproved by long term scientific research and shouldn't be confused with articles based on 50 year old research.
Science is a process and along the way we learn new things like if you take more than 4000 IU you won't die.
Bear in mind that scientists once believed many things that have since been disproven and in the area of vitamin D3 we are still learning and the old values are becoming obsolete.

I MAY well be taking doses above your comfort level and that's ok.
 
oldsurveyor said:
Just to be clear, I'm not recommending anything to anyone as I am not your doctor.
The original post is pretty clearly asking if anyone else has done any research in this area.
As to the scare about toxicity issues, I think it's important that if you are taking supplements of ANY kind to follow up with testing to be sure that levels are correct.

The issue that I'm raising is that long thought norms are being disproved by long term scientific research and shouldn't be confused with articles based on 50 year old research.
Science is a process and along the way we learn new things like if you take more than 4000 IU you won't die.
Bear in mind that scientists once believed many things that have since been disproven and in the area of vitamin D3 we are still learning and the old values are becoming obsolete.

I MAY well be taking doses above your comfort level and that's ok.
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If you want to take mega doses that's your choice, and I'm not criticising you for it. But I wanted readers to know that the scientists advising the US government say mega doses can cause serious health problems. The advice on the US govt website is up to date.
 
oldsurveyor said:
So you have first hand knowledge of the dates of their research that forms the basis for this article?
Are you researching the discrepancy among the scientific community?
Or is this your opinion?
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The dates of the published studies and other sources that informed the article are in the references list at the bottom of the page.

Have you got citations for any of the claims you've made in this thread?
 
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