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<blockquote data-quote="Oldvatr" data-source="post: 2409260" data-attributes="member: 196898"><p>Not wishing to go down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, I will try to answer you a different way. Let us examine those who claim success in apparently slowing down and reversing the inexorable march to insulin dependency and amputation which used to herald a diagnosis of T2D. I am not talking about T1D or those suffering pancreatic insufficiency through disease or surgery. We are in the realms of the Unwins, Taylors, Moseley's who have scientific studies demonstrating some success in making a valid claim it seems. One important point is that what success they achieve seems to be limited - either it only applies to some participants, or it is short-lived and only viable while following their protocols. Return to the land of flowing honey seems still to be beyond our grasp. This site has many success testimonials for dietary interventions, and again, there does not seem to be a diet plan that suits everybody, and again they all need to be maintained for life to prevent relapse.</p><p></p><p>So, we can find ways to give back control and there seems to be some evidence that some of these techniques can allow a modicum of repair of beta-cell function to return. But stray off the path and the problem still comes back. I suppose an ex-smoker or reformed alcoholic suffers this same dilemma.</p><p></p><p>Then there is the medical procedure route (not pharma but related) Bariatric Surgery is offered to obese T2D as a means of getting remission. It can be effective in some patients but is not foolproof, and again can be circumvented if normal behaviour is returned to. It needs lifelong attention to the prorocol like a diet. Alternatively there is the stem cell based research. It has not yet yielded a viable result, even though your own stem cells can be harvested, programmed as beta cells, and inserted intoo your pancreas, but this has not yielded any success yet for either T1D or T2D.</p><p></p><p>The last pathway I can see is the ayurvedic approach which is (in westerner eyes) alternative therapy without involving Big Pharma. As one who uses some of these treatments myself, I make the following observation. If I use NHS then I get my prescription for free, what I need costs me nothing except time, and I have already paid for it in my N.I contributions. My Bitter Melon or Cinnamon or whatever other compounds I use costs me. The NHS ones are regulated to be of known strength, quality, and are repeatable, my web purchased ones are at my own risk and of unknown efficacy or quality. There have generally been no scientific studies done on the compounds, and I depend on gurus and book writers/magazine editors to write up their 'knowledge' which again I probably have to pay for. But some Doctor Guru's are doctors not in medicine, but some other nonrelated career that allows them to call themselves Dr, My son is one such person being a Doctor of Physics, my local priest is a Doctor of Divinity. So we have a belief Black Hole. I know Dr Unwin is an active GP, but the others I mentioned are not medical practitioners (Dr Mosely did not complete his training and has never been an HCP as far as I can tell. Prof Taylor is a radiologist - he can take pretty pictures of your inner workings, but he runs the specialist team at Uni, not an HCP practice)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oldvatr, post: 2409260, member: 196898"] Not wishing to go down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, I will try to answer you a different way. Let us examine those who claim success in apparently slowing down and reversing the inexorable march to insulin dependency and amputation which used to herald a diagnosis of T2D. I am not talking about T1D or those suffering pancreatic insufficiency through disease or surgery. We are in the realms of the Unwins, Taylors, Moseley's who have scientific studies demonstrating some success in making a valid claim it seems. One important point is that what success they achieve seems to be limited - either it only applies to some participants, or it is short-lived and only viable while following their protocols. Return to the land of flowing honey seems still to be beyond our grasp. This site has many success testimonials for dietary interventions, and again, there does not seem to be a diet plan that suits everybody, and again they all need to be maintained for life to prevent relapse. So, we can find ways to give back control and there seems to be some evidence that some of these techniques can allow a modicum of repair of beta-cell function to return. But stray off the path and the problem still comes back. I suppose an ex-smoker or reformed alcoholic suffers this same dilemma. Then there is the medical procedure route (not pharma but related) Bariatric Surgery is offered to obese T2D as a means of getting remission. It can be effective in some patients but is not foolproof, and again can be circumvented if normal behaviour is returned to. It needs lifelong attention to the prorocol like a diet. Alternatively there is the stem cell based research. It has not yet yielded a viable result, even though your own stem cells can be harvested, programmed as beta cells, and inserted intoo your pancreas, but this has not yielded any success yet for either T1D or T2D. The last pathway I can see is the ayurvedic approach which is (in westerner eyes) alternative therapy without involving Big Pharma. As one who uses some of these treatments myself, I make the following observation. If I use NHS then I get my prescription for free, what I need costs me nothing except time, and I have already paid for it in my N.I contributions. My Bitter Melon or Cinnamon or whatever other compounds I use costs me. The NHS ones are regulated to be of known strength, quality, and are repeatable, my web purchased ones are at my own risk and of unknown efficacy or quality. There have generally been no scientific studies done on the compounds, and I depend on gurus and book writers/magazine editors to write up their 'knowledge' which again I probably have to pay for. But some Doctor Guru's are doctors not in medicine, but some other nonrelated career that allows them to call themselves Dr, My son is one such person being a Doctor of Physics, my local priest is a Doctor of Divinity. So we have a belief Black Hole. I know Dr Unwin is an active GP, but the others I mentioned are not medical practitioners (Dr Mosely did not complete his training and has never been an HCP as far as I can tell. Prof Taylor is a radiologist - he can take pretty pictures of your inner workings, but he runs the specialist team at Uni, not an HCP practice) [/QUOTE]
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