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Before I saw the dietitian I kept a food/drinks diary. Few complaints from her, apart from cut out snacks of Ryvita and/or oatcakes. She did ask about the amount of cheese, but not about butter or yoghurt - I don't do milk. The upshot is she said I could continue with Brie, Camembert or any soft cheese but I should stop or much reduce the hard cheeses.
 
Hi Dennis,
That about summarises the validity of the diet/heart hypothesis in a nutshell!
Blame the rabbits I say! The furry beggars! C'mon the foxes!
The guy who did more than anyone else to push the thinking towards replacing fat with carbohydrates was a gent by the name of Ancel Keys who was an advisor to the US government after WW2. His great achievement was the Seven Countries Study which was supposed to prove the relationship between saturated fat and heart disease. It's been the basis of dietary advice everywhere since 1980.
The only trouble is that his research into dietary factors only looked at dietary fat, and ignored protein and carbohydrate completely. So he'd really decided that fat was to blame even before the 'research'. He failed to show any connection between fat and heart disease, but was so convinced he was right he persuaded the government to advise everyone to eat less fat anyway, as a precaution. Genius!
Wait a minute, didn't the obesity/diabetes epidemic begin around the same time? Hmmmmmmmm, I wonder......

All the best,

fergusc
 
Well, I'm a foodie myself so I have to have my pennyworth.

My treatment of my type two, which also has to take into account my IBS, is to eat a low fat diet - the fats tend to give me bloating & unpleasant visits to the little room - normal sevings of carbs, as they are really MUCH smaller than you would expect, lots of fish which I love , though my partner hates the stuff, chicken, & red meat twice a week.

I cook it all myself, since I can't trust the food police not to ruin good provender with loads of salt & sugar. I eat loads of fresh veggies, raw & cooked, & whole fruit like pears, plums, oranges & apples.

I like porrige for breakfast & eat about a quarter of a pint with berries & soya milk: I also have Weetabix with fruit and NO sugar. That took some getting used to.
If I have more time, I poach mushrooms with Lea & Perrins & put that on wholemeal toast with grilled gammon: Or I microwave an egg to make low fat scrambled egg with tinned Italian tomatoes & wholemeal toast.

Snacks like roasted soya beans, pumpkin & sunflower seeds, an apple, or another Weetabix see me through till lunch when I go for a filling soup - homemade - & a seeded brown roll, or I have poached cicken with veggies.

In other words, I eat like a normal person....... but LESS.:)

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Whitemare
 
Hi Fergus,
I am so glad that you are making an impact to others too:D
LoL, That is interesting to the veggie rabbits eating meat! Did they try budgies too?
At the end of the day, if you look after yourself you will have a good life anyway,most people eat too much food and stuff anyway,at the end of the day,what is going to kill a diabetic? high blood sugars of coarse! If the sugars were stable then we would probably die like a normal person anyway which i would suggest a lot longer!
Makes me wonder if the nhs is trying to kill us all of early by putting us on high carbs! saving money in the long run.
I have never been so happy now getting my fix of cheese:)
Also thats interesting you say this Buachaille, I was told if "I must have cheese" then i was to avoid soft cheese at all costs and take hard cheese, just goes to show you that something is very wrong with the advise we are all given!
It's scary actually.

Going to make another pie for tomorrow with pollock,chesnut mushrooms,cheese n parsley,celariac topping,:D
stephen
 
My D/N says eat cheese as part of a meal!which I usually do.Love toasted cheese,which is probably bad but hey can't give up everything.

Knowledge is the key to control
 
Bauchaille,
There's no earthly reason not to eat cheese if you ask me. Hard or soft, it makes no difference, it's all good. Sounds as if your dietician might be a bit of a numptie?

I've just completed an Open University course in nutrition and you wouldn't believe the nonsense that's taught.

Apparently, there's no link between starch, sugar and obesity. Carbohydrates are not converted to fat and there's no direct link between carbohydrate consumption and diabetes. Eh? Come again?
This is what the medical profession is taught, and there are no prizes in medicine for questioning the conventional wisdom.

Stephen, I'm coming round to yours for dinner tomorrow, sounds good!
Now back to the stilton......

All the best,

fergusc
 
Hi All

I was browsing through the site when this caught my eye: "I'm watching my carbs and kind of doing the opposite of what my nutritionist told me!"

Well done - an eminently sensible approach:-)

I expand on my views of official diabetes nutrition advice here: http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/ ... ities.html

Shredded wheat for a type 2 breakfast? Why don't they prescribe mandrake root or strychnine? At least it would be a quicker and less painful way to go.

A couple of people were looking for some lower-carb ideas for meals and snacks. I've written a few of my stand-bys here: http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/recipes.html

Hope they help someone.

Alan, T2, Australia

Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter
 
G'day Alan,
I was very interested in your post and the links you provided.
There are more and more of us out there who have discovered that much of the 'official' dietary advice is dangerously misguided.
A complete rethink is long overdue but, if your health service is anything like ours, they're completely disinterested. So, we have to do it ourselves and wait for them to catch up.
I've written to all the people in authority over here, and while some are more receptive than others, they all defer to the conventional wisdom in the end. It's hard, if not impossible, for someone in the NHS here to take a stand without becoming ostracised professionally.
I which case, I guess it's our duty to take that stand for them.

All the best,

fergusc
 
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It's hard, if not impossible, for someone in the NHS hereto take a stand without becoming ostracised professionally.
I which case, I guess it's our duty to take that stand for them.
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Hi Fergus

Our health service is quite different, a combination of both a public funded system and private insurance. It's certainly not perfect, but with what I know of other systems I'm glad I live where I live. However, I won't start any negative comparisons, because I see little point in that. All of our health bureaucrats could learn from looking at the faults of other nations, but first they need to look at themselves.

We each have battles we choose to fight. In my case I'm chipping away at our establishment to try to change the ideas on diet, but I decided I needed to go to the source of the bad guidelines, the ADA. You are in a similar position because the NHS seems to use the same source. However, you may have a more urgent need. There appears to be a push by your bean counters to severely limit test strip use and many of us have found that testing systematically is the best way to improve our own diet for blood glucose control.

You may find these two links interesting:
From October '06
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A13985977
And from the BMJ in June '07
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/bmj ... 47431.BEv1
That followed other flawed reports with different methods but similar conclusions in Australia and Canada. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but it seems significant to me that all three of those countries have government-funded systems.

At least with the BMJ article the editors allowed many of us to express a counter view in the rapid responses. You will see that you aren't alone in your views.
 
That last post was from me. Something went strange in the system:-)


Alan, T2, Australia

Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter
 
Just to let you know that i am still sticking to fergus's regime,ok had a little pasta time to time but only small amounts and thats during the day when im active and boy let me tell you it is working!
I am requiring less and less insulin every single day:D and feel like im 15 again! Im just so blown away and still can't thank you enough;)!
Right!
Back to the macadamia,cashews,gorgonzola and vino:D
PS.I have started the flax oil too 3 days ago and will see how it goes in time, main thing is just now that i am rarely going over 8 mmol and most of the time sitting bellow 6:D

Oh Crumbs! forgot to sign in!
StephenFromScotland
 
Hi Stephen,

I'm really chuffed you're doing so well. By how much have you been able to reduce your insulin doses? How much carbohydrate do you think you're eating per day now?

This is really interesting. Yalow and Berson were the first researchers to measure insulin secretion in normal individuals (not mutants like us then!) They found that typical insulin sectretion varied from 0.4 to 0.5 units per kilogram body weight per day. This, I think, is a magic number. On or below this number and and we're likely not to gain weight or develop insulin resistance. Above this number and we're fighting a losing battle.

I think virtually all type 2's are probably producing a lot more than this, which is the fundamental problem and which can only be addressed successfully with a low carbohydrate diet.

Your HbA1c will be great next time if you keep this up Stephen. You sound as if you're really enjoying the grub too. Why do some people think it's going to be too restrictive? Beats me.

All the best,

fergusc
 
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