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<blockquote data-quote="LittleGreyCat" data-source="post: 1226371" data-attributes="member: 6467"><p>This could fit with both the Dieting and Exercise fora, obviously.</p><p></p><p>Having been a bit "relaxed" about diet for a while and watched my weight creep up to 12 stone 9 lbs I decided to bite the bullet and try and get some weight off.</p><p></p><p>So I cut out the "just a little bit won't hurt this once" treats and all the booze (wail!) and set about some serious cycling.</p><p></p><p>First results were promising - down from 12 stone 9 lbs to 12 stone 5 lbs in the first couple of days.</p><p>This, of course, was just the spare 4 lbs of "glucose in water" which we all tend to carry around under normal circumstances.</p><p></p><p>So now the hard stuff - each additional pound lost is a "real" loss of either fat or muscle (hopefully fat) which hopefully will be a longer term loss of weight.</p><p></p><p>Thankfully I am continuing to chip away through not eating masses, and keeping the carbs down. I am now down to 12 stone 3 lbs and haven't yet given in to the various temptations. However there is a near constant underlying feeling of deprivation.</p><p></p><p>So the next question (assuming I don't run out of motivation and/or succumb to temptation like an invitation to a BBQ with lots of lovely booze and food) is where to stop. Logically as soon as I ease up on the hard core(ish) diet and exercise then the 4 lb store will refill so I should undershoot my target by 4 lbs to allow for this.</p><p></p><p>My first aim is to stabilise under 12 stone. Ideally I would like to get down to 11 stone 7 lbs but I'm not sure I will ever be strong enough to achieve that.</p><p></p><p>Another peripheral question - when you exercise where does the fat go from first? At the moment the main obvious area is my bum - but is this due to fat loss or extra muscle tone? Either way it makes sitting on hard chairs a lot more uncomfortable. Equally, if you do a lot of sit ups and get a trim waist does this mean you have trimmed the fat, or just squeezed it flat with a muscle corset, so to speak?</p><p></p><p>I think that different genetic types store fat preferentially in different areas; some on the thighs, some on the buttocks, some on the belly (not good for T2s) and some lucky ones equally all over.</p><p></p><p>So does the muscle group you exercise dictate where most of the fat is lost, or does it just go from all over but mainly from your genetically favoured storage location?</p><p></p><p>I think some genetic types (perhaps including myself) tend to lose fat from other areas of the body in preference to visceral fat. I would certainly like to take a couple of inches off my waist measurement but from previous experience this isn't the first place the weight goes from.</p><p></p><p>Following on from the stored glucose thing, according to</p><p><a href="http://www.livestrong.com/article/264767-how-is-excess-glucose-stored/" target="_blank">http://www.livestrong.com/article/264767-how-is-excess-glucose-stored/</a></p><p>(other web sites are available) the body stores about 100 g of glucose in the liver and 500 g of glucose in the muscles. That is about 1.3 pounds in weight. The rest will be water.</p><p></p><p>According to</p><p><a href="http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/generic-glucose-pure-7535602" target="_blank">http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/generic-glucose-pure-7535602</a></p><p>100 g of glucose is 400 kcal so the 600 g of glucose should be 2,400 kcal.</p><p>[Noted that the body stores glucose as glycogen.]</p><p>This is quite a nice energy reserve to have and also an interesting figure generally.</p><p></p><p>Allegedly a pound of fat contains 3,500 kcal so to lose a pound (of fat) a week you need to run a calorie deficit of 500 kcals per day. You can do this by either eating less or exercising more and eating the same. </p><p></p><p>The interesting bit is that if the glucose store is 2,400 kcal in total and weighs 4 lbs then if you are just shifting stored glucose (not fat) then in theory you need to run a calorie deficit of 340 kcals a day to lose 4 lbs in a week.</p><p></p><p>This is all a bit unscientific and rough figures, but does indicate why you can take the first 4 lbs off quite quickly and then stall.</p><p></p><p>To look at it another way, if you are running at a 500 kcal per day deficit then you could shift 4 lbs in 5 days and then shift the next pound a week later. And then continue to shift a pound a week. This can be very demotivating!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LittleGreyCat, post: 1226371, member: 6467"] This could fit with both the Dieting and Exercise fora, obviously. Having been a bit "relaxed" about diet for a while and watched my weight creep up to 12 stone 9 lbs I decided to bite the bullet and try and get some weight off. So I cut out the "just a little bit won't hurt this once" treats and all the booze (wail!) and set about some serious cycling. First results were promising - down from 12 stone 9 lbs to 12 stone 5 lbs in the first couple of days. This, of course, was just the spare 4 lbs of "glucose in water" which we all tend to carry around under normal circumstances. So now the hard stuff - each additional pound lost is a "real" loss of either fat or muscle (hopefully fat) which hopefully will be a longer term loss of weight. Thankfully I am continuing to chip away through not eating masses, and keeping the carbs down. I am now down to 12 stone 3 lbs and haven't yet given in to the various temptations. However there is a near constant underlying feeling of deprivation. So the next question (assuming I don't run out of motivation and/or succumb to temptation like an invitation to a BBQ with lots of lovely booze and food) is where to stop. Logically as soon as I ease up on the hard core(ish) diet and exercise then the 4 lb store will refill so I should undershoot my target by 4 lbs to allow for this. My first aim is to stabilise under 12 stone. Ideally I would like to get down to 11 stone 7 lbs but I'm not sure I will ever be strong enough to achieve that. Another peripheral question - when you exercise where does the fat go from first? At the moment the main obvious area is my bum - but is this due to fat loss or extra muscle tone? Either way it makes sitting on hard chairs a lot more uncomfortable. Equally, if you do a lot of sit ups and get a trim waist does this mean you have trimmed the fat, or just squeezed it flat with a muscle corset, so to speak? I think that different genetic types store fat preferentially in different areas; some on the thighs, some on the buttocks, some on the belly (not good for T2s) and some lucky ones equally all over. So does the muscle group you exercise dictate where most of the fat is lost, or does it just go from all over but mainly from your genetically favoured storage location? I think some genetic types (perhaps including myself) tend to lose fat from other areas of the body in preference to visceral fat. I would certainly like to take a couple of inches off my waist measurement but from previous experience this isn't the first place the weight goes from. Following on from the stored glucose thing, according to [URL]http://www.livestrong.com/article/264767-how-is-excess-glucose-stored/[/URL] (other web sites are available) the body stores about 100 g of glucose in the liver and 500 g of glucose in the muscles. That is about 1.3 pounds in weight. The rest will be water. According to [URL]http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/generic-glucose-pure-7535602[/URL] 100 g of glucose is 400 kcal so the 600 g of glucose should be 2,400 kcal. [Noted that the body stores glucose as glycogen.] This is quite a nice energy reserve to have and also an interesting figure generally. Allegedly a pound of fat contains 3,500 kcal so to lose a pound (of fat) a week you need to run a calorie deficit of 500 kcals per day. You can do this by either eating less or exercising more and eating the same. The interesting bit is that if the glucose store is 2,400 kcal in total and weighs 4 lbs then if you are just shifting stored glucose (not fat) then in theory you need to run a calorie deficit of 340 kcals a day to lose 4 lbs in a week. This is all a bit unscientific and rough figures, but does indicate why you can take the first 4 lbs off quite quickly and then stall. To look at it another way, if you are running at a 500 kcal per day deficit then you could shift 4 lbs in 5 days and then shift the next pound a week later. And then continue to shift a pound a week. This can be very demotivating! [/QUOTE]
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