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What do I avoid

ninja

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Hi everybody

Just been told I'm type 2 which hasn't gone down very well as I'm trying to get over a brain haemorrhage. My GP is arranging for me to see Diabetic Nurse but at the moment I'm not too sure what to avoid other than sugary foods such as cakes, sweets etc. Can I eat pasta, rice, bread etc. I am also told to avoid diet drinks, is this true. I am way overweight and a big eater so would like to know what is OK. I don't drink or smoke but my blood/sugar was 22. I was quite ill over last weekend and Doctor put me on Metformin and to avoid sugary food, I feel a lot better but still have slight thirst. Would appreciate some sound advice re diet please.

Thankyou
Ninja :?: :?:
 
sorry you suffered a brain haemorrhage Have you managed to get rid of the after effects, or do you still have problems?
You are right on the sugars. they are a NO NO! Starches, which come from grains and root veggies are also a problem. Keep them to the absolute minimum.
Are you on medication, or diet only? Can you exercise?
 
Hi Ninja

Sorry to hear about your brain haemorrhage, a very traumatic experience for sure and then the diabetes diagnosis on top of it all, you must be reeling! I admire you, its clear you are a very strong person, I think I would just sit there for at least a year and just feel sorry for myself, never mind writing to a forum asking for advice, so CONGRATULATIONS are in order.

Ok, do you have a tester at all, has your GP prescribed you testing strips, if not, then please do get hold of a tester, they cost around £10-15 in chemists and your GP will hopefully prescribe test strips, this is important so that you can learn how the different foods you eat affect your bg.

You had some very high readings there, and I wonder how long you have been diabetic without knowing, its possible the brain haemorrhage was actually caused by long term high bg levels.
I suggest you start cutting down on carbohydrates, thats not just sugar and cakes but also pasta, rice, bread, potatoes, cereals, etc, and keep testing yourself, you might not have to go really low carb, it might be a bit too much of a shock for you to do that so try maybe reducing your intake of carbs by about half to what you are used to and see how that goes. Explain to your doctor that you need test strips so that you can learn how the various foods affect you. You see some people cannot tolerate carbs at all, their bg shoots through the roof, others can tolerate a small amount and are fine with it, its all a bit of a trial and error until you find the level that you are comfortable and safe with, you need to learn how fruit and vegetables affect you, some have a very high carb content, I used to be very, very overweight too, so much so that I was classed as morbidly obese, and my medical team and dietitian put me onto a extremely low carb diet, it worked though, I lost weight rapidly and my bg levels came down rapidly too.

Do a search on low carb in this forum, get hold of Dr Bernsteins book The Diabetes Solution and also a Little Gem carb counter booklet, I think you get that in WHSmiths, not sure though.

Its also important to increase physical activity but since you just had a brain haemorrhage you MUST get the all clear from your medics before doing any kind of exercise, and even then it has to be GENTLE.

I hope all goes well for you.

Karen
 
Hi

Thanks both, yes exercise is a bit of a problem at the moment as I already have a spinal problem which was aggravated by my haemorrhage and at times I find it very difficult to exercise. My GP is going to quickly arrange a meeting with nurse but obviously I want to do what is best for me. If I believe what I read all food seems off the menu!!! I thought rice was OK but obviously its not and I've just had rice and chicken and now have a dry mouth.

Cheers
Ninja
 
Ninja, you probably have a high bg again after eating rice, but listen dont panic, try and get hold of a tester asap. Its not true that all food has to be off the menu, I really enjoy my food and it keeps me well, its no good eating rice or whatever if I enjoy it while its in my mouth but I suffer for the rest of the day because I have high bg?
Re exercise, you dont have to do a lot of bending and stretching, to begin with try some simple chair exercises, move your toes and feet and fingers, hands. arms, just wiggling them around is j better than keeping still, you can do that while you are sitting down or even lying in bed, you may think I am joking, but even such small exercises can be beneficial, also ask your GP to refer you to phsyio, this way you can be taught some safe exercises.

All the best

Karen
 
Hi Karen

Thanks for your advice. My problem is my GP told me there was no need to get a monitor as yet until I see nurse. I was going to buy one anyway but pharmacist told me that the strips are very expensive unless you get a prescription. To be honest I am totally confused as I really don't know what I can eat and my wife obviously does not know what to buy. This evening I had salmon, mixed veg and 1 small potatoe and I really did not enjoy it so I can see I am going to be a problem. Is pasta OK? My problem is after having a brain haemorrhage I've been comfort eating, I appreciate those days have gone. Can you or anyone give me an idea what to eat while I'm waiting to see nurse and do u think I should get a monitor anyway? I do appreciate that you can't advise individual cases but I've bought a couple of books and I'm more confused than ever. Sorry to keep on but I do want to do the right thing but I still want to enjoy food of some sort.

A Really Confused
Ninja ( John )
 
Aww John, no need to apologise for asking things in here, thats what this forum is here for, anything you want to know just ask, usually someone has the right answer for you.

I would advise that you start testing so that you know whats going on, it is so important that you learn more about the relationship between food and blood glucose, most meters come with a few testing strips, so get yourself a meter and call the surgery insisting that you do need a script for strips.
Have a look around the low carb forum for ideas on recipes and what other people tend to eat, do not worry its not as complicated as it sounds, although its is very normal to feel confused in the beginning; also dont be too scared of low carb, when I say low carb you might not even have to go very low carb, maybe you can do medium carb instead, you see this is where the testing comes in, if a food gives you high blood glucose readings then its obvious that you either need to reduce the amount of that particular food or cut it out altogether. Dont be scared of playing around with all the foods, its quite interesting to learn about the connection between food and bg, and its empowering too, to a large extent it is you that can control your diabetes.

Re the books that you have been reading, I suspect that they give out the old fashioned advice of eating carbs with every meal? This is totally outdated information and actually very dangerous, you have very high blood glucose and its important that you reduce your blood glucose levels to single figures.

Tell why did you not enjoy the meal your wife cooked for you tonight? What foods dont you/do you enjoy? Give us a list maybe then we can advise you.

I seriously suggest you get hold of a meter and get strips prescribed asap, then try the low carb way, just for 2 or 3 days only, you can manage that cant you? I bet you will see your bg drop quickly.

If you still feel that this is not for you, then look up low GI diets instead, google this and you will find loads of info there and if this doesnt appeal either maybe you need to go on taking more and more medication to help you reduce those high bg levels. Bear in mind that too many carbs are not good for anyone, whether they are diabetic or not, so your wife can join you in there too and it can become team work to devise a healthier eating plan for both of you? Some people, esp overweight ones, like I used to be, find that after initially going very low carb they can steadily increase their carb intake as they lose more weight and still keepo their bg levels to that of a non-diabetic.

Re comfort eating, I used to do that too, and of course when you have all those things wrong with you it seems that food is the only pleasure you have left, try and find other things that you can reward yourself with, anything instead of food, also please do consider asking your GP to refer you to a physiotherapist so that you can start to exercise a little bit and all these things will give you confidence as your bg improves and you will lose weight and become fitter.

You need to be patient of course, and do things slowly, but you will get there eventually, you will see, so dont despair :-)

So post a list of the foods you enjoy or dont enjoy, and also write down the meals that you used to eat.

Karen
 
Hi again

The foods I like are all sweet stuff, cheese, pasta, rice, curries, sweet and sour, all foods with sauces, all meat, all fruit, not fussed on fish but do eat it. I do like roast dinners but for some reason I am going off them. I enjoy stews and soup but always use bread to soak juices up. If I have a curry enjoy naan or pitta bread. Of course like most I like chips. I like yoghurts and do enjoy salads but do not get any fulfilment from them. As you can see I like all unhealthy foods.
I absolutely detest egg and could never be persuaded to eat them. I hate thick gravy but unfortunately I enjoy large portions. I am a compulsive snacker especially when watching TV. I do NOT eat fried food and on reading one book I've started eating a bagel or two for breakfast but on reading another book they are bad for me. If I go out in day usually have a sandwich or baguette usually with cheese and we do eat a lot of white meat as opposed to red.
Not the best of diets eh!!!

Cheers
John
 
Hi John
Thanks for posting again, well what can I say though except that you really do need to make some positive changes there, did you have high BP before you had the brain haemorrhage? And I do suspect you had high bg too before you was diagnosed with diabetes?

You really must review your eating habits and lifestyle otherwise you are at risk of eating yourself to death, I am very worried about you.
I know that old habits die hard, so make gradual changes, step by step if you feel that doing it quickly is too drastic for you.

If you were to cut out the carbs you could eat large quantities of food, low carb vegetables and protein and snack on veg and nuts and never feel hungry.

But whatever you do, whether you decide on low carb or not, you do need to make some changes, the brain haemorrhage has surely been a warning sign, your body telling you 'hey do something different, I dont like this any more'

All the best

Karen
 
Hi Karen

Thanks for advice I have now really cut down and bought a BG Monitor and have an appointment with diabetic nurse on Monday. My reading when diagnosed was 23, yesterday it was 8.2 and 10 after meal, this morning after Special K was 17!!! No doubt I'll get into it, I do feel a lot better today again thanks for your help. I was determined to get over brain haemorrhage and even more determined to get over this and yes I did have high BP. I am going off topic so will close now speak again.

Cheers
John
 
Hi Ninja,
My local sports centre runs chair based exercise classes and stroke rehab exercise classes with the samw instructor, who has a great deal of interest in helping people over health issues. Perhaps ou have similsr facilities near you.
I had an ischaemic stroke in 2003 and have benefitted hugely from exercise.
 
Hi All

Thanks for your help and advice. I've just found out that my brother in laws partner is a diabetic nurse, I honestly didn't know so she is helping me over weekend till I see my own nurse. I have taken all your advice re diet and it has helped and I do feel better, no doubt I'll be on forum again.
Thanks again.

Cheers
John
 
Excellent news John, have a lovely weekend, keep warm!

By the way, you tested 17 after eating Special K, that is because of the carbs in Special K, read the label and see how many carbs there are

All the best

Karen
 
ninja said:
I am also told to avoid diet drinks, is this true.
Thankyou
Ninja :?: :?:

I don't think anyone has answered this question yet - I skim-read the responses sorry, as this alerted me. I drink pepsi max like it is going out of fashion. There is no sugar or caffeine in it, so I don't see a problem. I may be wrong though - anyone?
 
I'm a coke zero fan, no carbs, no calories, lots of gas though.
 
To much information Tubs, keep your flatulence problems to yourself please :twisted: :twisted:
 
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