Sadly there have been times when this site has been combative as well. I can understand that people are pleased with a positive result but when they get that they seem to want to push it onto others as if it is the only way to go. It got to the point on a couple of occasions when supporters of a diet left this site to form a new site of their own. Since they all agreed with each other they ran out of things to say.
The way I read DUK is that they don't want something similar happening to them.
I got bounced by Moderators when I posted a serious question on LCHF, I was banned for a month
There was an amusing incident at Tesco a couple of years ago when they said they were in partnership with DUK and gave a book away for free. At the same time they were running a raffle. At the checkout you were given a raffle ticket for free and I ended up with two of them. I asked about the prize and was shown a large wicker basket full of chocolate products.DUK got into bed with ASDA who sponsored their latest book launch. They also hold their open days in ASDA stores, and the prizes for their raffles are also supplied by ASDA, So yes, they are totally dependant on their sponsors.
I agree that it's a poor excuse but I am beginning to believe it to be a valid one. They are reluctant to move away from the traditional dogma. Dr Roger Unger called it Dogma Displacement Inertia. What seems to be in dispute is where we are moving to and there are factions who vociferously say me me me.I get what you're saying...but I still think that's a poor excuse for not providing good information on the potential of diets other than that which they narrow-mindedly and sloppily call "healthy". Of course, we are all individuals and obviously low carb is not the ONLY way...but the crucial point is that we ARE individuals, and to say that their recommended diet/ the NHS healthy diet is rather general would be a serious understatement. Whatever the reasons, Diabetes UK and the NHS generally need to progress in this area...otherwise they are potentially doing damage.
Otherwise known as base over apex.................. ****/elbow/****/elbow.
Are they backed by the food nindustry? If so do you know by whom?I joined them a year ago for a bit. I found if I posted anything positive about LCHF the debate was shut down with fairly hostile reactions. I've just read a few threads on LCHF and whilst its obviously appearing more and more, there seems to be a lot more focus on the downsides compared to here. its also quite confusing because the posters don't differentiate T1 and T2 so the answers seem muddled.
I think a lot of the problems stem from a misunderstanding of what LCHF actually is - a REAL FOODS diet with limited carbs and moderate proteins necessary for nutritional needs and the balance made up of fats. It is SUCH a shame it is called LCHF as that seems to fly in the face of everything everyone "Knows" . In any event its clear that when a website is supported by the food industry, it is going to continue to put out articles as to which brand of biscuit rather than saying get rid of the biscuits.
They continually put out misleading tweets. I reacted to one which defined friendship as " providing the needed slice of toast after a run " They came back and explained that this was a post about how a friend of a T1 diabetic person, had provided toast to counteract a hypo. - As a message tweeted to all and sundry with no context it was just bizarre.
if you look at their tweets, you can see that they have basically put their eggs i the "More exercise" camp - nearly all of the photos they provide are something to do with running or walking.
when they do tweet feed it includes such nonsense as
Jacket potatoes
Try filling potatoes with baked beans, jazzed up with some chilli powder or cayenne pepper, and a few mushrooms and caramelised onions.
With the best will in the world - its frighteningly inadequate advice that still meets the healthy eating plate- is notionally " good for you " , doesn't upset its food sponsors and leaves people with diabetes none the wiser. .
- Use food labels to choose healthier sandwiches, and cut down on your intake of salt and fat by choosing fruit and bottled water over crisps and fizzy drinks.
- Try to avoid shopping for lunch (or any food!) when you’re really hungry – you might buy more than you need and you're more likely to make a less healthy choice.
- Swap a canned drink for a diet version and save around 6tsp sugar.
Cut back on fat by choosing baked crisps as a healthier alternative to fried.
- Choose a two-finger chocolate wafer biscuit, rather than a standard chocolate bar, and save on both fat and calories.
I deleted my account.
I would also stress that I believe very strongly in the principle of an NHS and have benefited tremendously from it. I admire the surgeons, doctors, nurses and carers very much. I am less than enamoured of the managers (generally) and can see that on the issue of control of diabetes, while the professionals I have dealt with personally are excellent...things are less than ideal. Hopefully, this is changing slowly for the better.
It looks like the culture is cast in concrete per the little bit I just read.
Diabetes UK link. .. "What to do if LCHF shows up on our forum? Report them."
Send in the thought police.
i'd love to know the answer to your question.Was anyone allowed to say that's not so?
Very diplomatic reply here. I saw you posting on the other forum too, as well as others. But I gave up after getting too much flak. I soon realised that site held no advances for me.Thank you for tagging me GrantGam.
Yes, I do post on the DUK forum, as an ordinary member, and I am involved in my local DUK group, but on that basis, I doubt I have any more answers to "why they do what" than any other ordinary member there.
and that's the trouble - it's not about saying that everyone should be on a lchf diet, but letting people know that it can, and often does, really help with controlling bg levels. personally i think it's wildly irresponsible, if not downright immoral, for the leading national charity to be handing out advice which completely ignores the negative effect that carbs can have, as many of us know to our cost.
Very diplomatic reply here. I saw you posting on the other forum too, as well as others. But I gave up after getting too much flak. I soon realised that site held no advances for me.
DUK has funded a few trials on LC effects including Newcastle and Glasgow with Pro Mike Lean. They are not a perfect org but they do a great job like no other in the UK. They fund huge amounts of research hence the annual Professional Conferences that I have been proud to have been to 6 of them. I must declare an interest as I was on the board of DUK for 6 years. They do not have a cosy relationship with the NHS and hold them to account at every opportunity. I also like Diabetes.co.UK and find some of the discussions very helpful.Can anyone tell me why Diabetes UK still gives people such dreadful advice about diet? Since joining this forum, I have realised how many thousands of us there must be who have had brilliant results by adopting an LCHF diet - I don't for a moment want to suggest that everyone should follow it, and it may not work for everyone, but I would have thought that anyone with T2 should at least be told that it's worth trying to see what sort of an effect it has. Seeing as Diabetes UK is the leading national charity/organisation whose remit is to support people with diabetes, I find it pretty shocking that they seem to be so off beam.
DUK has funded a few trials on LC effects including Newcastle and Glasgow with Pro Mike Lean. They are not a perfect org but they do a great job like no other in the UK. They fund huge amounts of research hence the annual Professional Conferences that I have been proud to have been to 6 of them. I must declare an interest as I was on the board of DUK for 6 years. They do not have a cosy relationship with the NHS and hold them to account at every opportunity. I also like Diabetes.co.UK and find some of the discussions very helpful.
Omg...... This is my first post on this forum, as I was only seeing the typical T2 eating methods and management, but then read this today. Up until this moment I thought I was the only one of a few doing a LCHF living methodology. My doctor is the only one in our area that has studied this in depth, and researched those that put forward other methodologies, a lot of whom are subsidised by the very industry that provides our medication. How motivated is that industry to help remove T2? Not at all. That impacts their $$$$. When first diagnosed (May 2017) I had to work extensively with my doctor as both the diabetic coach and dietician were both focussed on the typical 'lots of small meals' throughout the day etc.Can anyone tell me why Diabetes UK still gives people such dreadful advice about diet? Since joining this forum, I have realised how many thousands of us there must be who have had brilliant results by adopting an LCHF diet - I don't for a moment want to suggest that everyone should follow it, and it may not work for everyone, but I would have thought that anyone with T2 should at least be told that it's worth trying to see what sort of an effect it has. Seeing as Diabetes UK is the leading national charity/organisation whose remit is to support people with diabetes, I find it pretty shocking that they seem to be so off beam.
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