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<blockquote data-quote="xyzzy" data-source="post: 260682" data-attributes="member: 40343"><p>I take your point about the poll Catherine. Would point out that the cheat applies to all groups on it so the highs could have got twice as many votes just like the lows. Or look at it this way if everybody who voted did vote twice then the percentages would be the same. As far as I can see there is just the same incentive for a low carber to cheat as a high carber.</p><p></p><p>The definition I use for LOW carb diet is < 130g and ULC < 30g which are the definitions used internationally I believe. That's the only reason I grouped the poll results in that way. Putting aside the voting cheats then I stand by what I've said which is based on the results of the poll 65% of voters are LOW carbers based on that international definition and an unknown proportion of the 23% who voted higher than 130g would in reality be moderate carbers like Grazer.</p><p></p><p>What happens on other minor minority view forums (whatever standpoint) isn't relevant in the context of what gets discussed on this forum. Apart from the other "blue" (was "pink") site this is the forum that people look at. It has got 35000 members plus I would guess 000's of other lurkers. To me it's the one that can change things for the better which is why I post on it and not on the other forums.</p><p></p><p>As for competitiveness then we are going to have to disagree. I think being competitive in whatever is generally a good thing. It makes people strive to become better and is how progress is made. I'm afraid I'm not one of those people who think second best is good, however hard you tried, it means you lost. For instance what good would coming second have done us in WW2. I can't afford to come second in my battle against my condition and will use every advantage I can find to win and daily compete against the yesterday version of myself. If through my own competitiveness I can show other people who are struggling alternatives to the blind dogmatic views that currently prevail in the UK then that is a good thing imo. </p><p></p><p>As to your final point about it being the diagnosis rather than low carbs I think it's more likely the diagnosis that gives the psychological trigger for depression. Some of us then see it as a battle to win and take on a positive non depressed viewpoint and recognise that maybe this is actually a way of getting healthier. Others get depressed because no matter how hard they try using the advice they're given they get nowhere, yet more get depressed because they realise they have to change but haven't the mental strength or aren't given the tools like being told the real truth about complications, blood levels etc. to find that inner strength. Some no matter what will never find the strength and be depressed. </p><p></p><p>Since my own diagnosis two long term T2 people I know have asked me how I have achieved what they cannot. Knowing the personalities of both I told one to use a testing / GI diet / portion control approach on starchy carbs and she is now doing very well getting her numbers in 6's and 7's mostly. For the first time she is now "competitive" about her condition and numbers and now she has begun to understand the effects of CARBS on her levels is moving to a carb counting regime. She is seriously losing weight for the first time in 25 years and now having transferred gradually over a couple of months to a full low CARB regime is a different person. </p><p></p><p>The other I just told about testing, low carb, ULC, carb counting right from the start as he wanted to do it that way. He tried it out and while it made some difference it was obvious he'd lost too much of his function over the years by having his pancreas blasted by the full spectrum of drugs. I advised him to talk to his gp about going on insulin or Byetta etc. as neither a change of diet or his current meds is keeping his levels safe. In any event he has stuck to the low carb lifestyle and again has lost a couple of stone and is a far happier person.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="xyzzy, post: 260682, member: 40343"] I take your point about the poll Catherine. Would point out that the cheat applies to all groups on it so the highs could have got twice as many votes just like the lows. Or look at it this way if everybody who voted did vote twice then the percentages would be the same. As far as I can see there is just the same incentive for a low carber to cheat as a high carber. The definition I use for LOW carb diet is < 130g and ULC < 30g which are the definitions used internationally I believe. That's the only reason I grouped the poll results in that way. Putting aside the voting cheats then I stand by what I've said which is based on the results of the poll 65% of voters are LOW carbers based on that international definition and an unknown proportion of the 23% who voted higher than 130g would in reality be moderate carbers like Grazer. What happens on other minor minority view forums (whatever standpoint) isn't relevant in the context of what gets discussed on this forum. Apart from the other "blue" (was "pink") site this is the forum that people look at. It has got 35000 members plus I would guess 000's of other lurkers. To me it's the one that can change things for the better which is why I post on it and not on the other forums. As for competitiveness then we are going to have to disagree. I think being competitive in whatever is generally a good thing. It makes people strive to become better and is how progress is made. I'm afraid I'm not one of those people who think second best is good, however hard you tried, it means you lost. For instance what good would coming second have done us in WW2. I can't afford to come second in my battle against my condition and will use every advantage I can find to win and daily compete against the yesterday version of myself. If through my own competitiveness I can show other people who are struggling alternatives to the blind dogmatic views that currently prevail in the UK then that is a good thing imo. As to your final point about it being the diagnosis rather than low carbs I think it's more likely the diagnosis that gives the psychological trigger for depression. Some of us then see it as a battle to win and take on a positive non depressed viewpoint and recognise that maybe this is actually a way of getting healthier. Others get depressed because no matter how hard they try using the advice they're given they get nowhere, yet more get depressed because they realise they have to change but haven't the mental strength or aren't given the tools like being told the real truth about complications, blood levels etc. to find that inner strength. Some no matter what will never find the strength and be depressed. Since my own diagnosis two long term T2 people I know have asked me how I have achieved what they cannot. Knowing the personalities of both I told one to use a testing / GI diet / portion control approach on starchy carbs and she is now doing very well getting her numbers in 6's and 7's mostly. For the first time she is now "competitive" about her condition and numbers and now she has begun to understand the effects of CARBS on her levels is moving to a carb counting regime. She is seriously losing weight for the first time in 25 years and now having transferred gradually over a couple of months to a full low CARB regime is a different person. The other I just told about testing, low carb, ULC, carb counting right from the start as he wanted to do it that way. He tried it out and while it made some difference it was obvious he'd lost too much of his function over the years by having his pancreas blasted by the full spectrum of drugs. I advised him to talk to his gp about going on insulin or Byetta etc. as neither a change of diet or his current meds is keeping his levels safe. In any event he has stuck to the low carb lifestyle and again has lost a couple of stone and is a far happier person. [/QUOTE]
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