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Who Paid For This?

JohnEGreen said:
He was Japanese he did the early work but some one else got the Nobel prize and also others made a lot of money from his discovery but he did not.
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Am I thinking of the same person? The Japanese man who ended up working for N.American Pharma company after some argy bargy at home then teams up with possibly a Russian researcher to further develope the drug. It was the dosage that they had problems with at first. I'm almost sure that it was the plant/fungus defence mechanism that puts native animals off eating it that killed all of his rabbits (?).
 
OK, I have been deeply moved by this killer article. I have been thinking through and reading up on mice nutrition, and mice as omnivores idea therefore applicable to us behind scientists using them as models for us. And journalists coming up with fabulous killer-announcements in the media. (Excuse me using the word 'killer' but I think it needs to be said! )

First of all, the "animal matter" natural for a mouse to eat is kind of obviously - insects. Or dead animals to be scavenged. (What we have to imagine is any mammal small enough for a mouse to attack and kill to eat! The way we as a species do.) But look at their teeth and it is obvious plant matter is the main source of their diet, imho. Two very large front teeth compared to the rest. (Vegetarians don't get upset with me! We humans are brilliant in our ability to adapt to all sorts of diets! Plant matter also. And our wonderful brains and sense of compassion that can lead us in the all plant matter direction. But I am just talking biology here. What we are able to eat, what we do eat, and flourish doing so.) Mice are obviously not geared for a serious hunt to kill and eat the way that we are. (Again - vegetarians don't get upset with me, I am just talking what we are capable of - not what we HAVE to do to eat.) And dead animals, birds, fish - means fat.

I have a wonderful image of mice with tiny knives hauling a sheep into a shed to slit its throat to kill it to eat later. And mice running after herds with little tiny bows and arrows. Mice riding on horses to force herds of large mammals off a cliff to grab a few and more dead ones later to take home to cook and eat. Valuing the high nutrient high fat organs, as humans have done.

OK - and images of mice 'standing' there with fishing rods, with nets. Gathering the eagle eggs, and NOT being eaten by the eagle.

I do not understand science that does not pay attention to biology and evolution. To us as a very successful meat-eating primate. But then, we are not really talking science with this article are we? We are talking a 'made to order' study of the killer variety. I'm just so sorry I will probably have to explain this mice nutrition stuff to my fat and sick family members who I have been trying to get off a high sugar diet! Because, gee, they are going to like this article.

Now I must go eat bacon and eggs for breakfast. And maintain my normal weight that way.


 
@Guzzler It was Joseph L. Goldstein and Michael Brown, who got the Nobel prize I am unsure as to who you are thinking of but as is often the case there where many different people researching the subject.

Here is a link to an article written by Akira Endo himself.

By the way for several years he was controlling his own high cholesterol by exercise and diet but now takes statins him self about three times a week.
 
JohnEGreen said:
@Guzzler It was Joseph L. Goldstein and Michael Brown, who got the Nobel prize I am unsure as to who you are thinking of but as is often the case there where many different people researching the subject.

Here is a link to an article written by Akira Endo himself.

By the way for several years he was controlling his own high cholesterol by exercise and diet but now takes statins him self about three times a week.
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Thanks, John. Awaiting link.
 
Here's the Daily Mail version -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5958463/amp/Fat-consumption-cause-weight-gain.html

And here are the researchers I for one would want to sidle up to and ask how they can go to sleep at night right now, knowing how their research is being promoted in the media, as the unequivocal answer to human weight issues. (Saturated fat! OMG! I'm still weeping.)

'Researchers at Aberdeen University and the Chinese Academy of Sciences led the rodent study, considered the largest of its kind.'
 
AloeSvea said:
Here's the Daily Mail version -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5958463/amp/Fat-consumption-cause-weight-gain.html

And here are the researchers I for one would want to sidle up to and ask how they can go to sleep at night right now, knowing how their research is being promoted in the media, as the unequivocal answer to human weight issues. (Saturated fat! OMG! I'm still weeping.)

'Researchers at Aberdeen University and the Chinese Academy of Sciences led the rodent study, considered the largest of its kind.'
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So who did pay for this study????
 
I look forward to the follow up study which proves conclusively that eating low carb high fat could lead to you being killed by cats. :cat:
 
I'm thinking aloud. We're supposed to eat up to 70gms fat per day (NHS: https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/what-are-reference-intakes-on-food-labels/). I personally have often thought "what does high fat mean in the LCHF diet"? How much fat do people on a LCHF diet eat? I never went out of my way to add fat until my GP said I wasn't eating enough and blamed that on my inability to weight. So, I added full fat yogurt, cream for my coffee, fried the bacon instead of grilled, fried eggs rather than poach, butter on the rare occasions of eating a slice of toast. I made an effort to consume more calories in the form of fat. I gained weight. Let me be the first to say THAT PROVES VERY LITTLE. It's a bit like this research/observation. I don't know how much fat a mouse would normally eat, very little I suspect because they prefer to eat grains/seeds (carbohydrates) and fruit. So I would suggest that mice are more tolerant of carbs and less tolerant of fat (hence weight gain) in a similar way that humans are more tolerant of fat less tolerant of carbs. We're different. Just a thought.
 
AloeSvea said:
Mice riding on horses to force herds of large mammals off a cliff to grab a few and more dead ones later to take home to cook and eat.
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That's why cats evolved to land feet first and be able to escape. Also racial memory explains the cat v mouse vendetta.

I still think the best diet evidence comes from the meat industry, ie grass fed vs pellet fed cattle, or pork from 'free range' pigs vs intensively reared ones.
 
The professor in question has an area of expertise more suited to the dietary requirements of mice than humans I think.
 
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