Indeed, though my comment was actually intended as tongue in cheek But one thing I was taught long ago is to "consider the source" - one of the most important things I ever learned, which to me when I remember to do so means avoiding wasting my time and getting het up by rejecting the liable to be misinformed ones. Though I will accept that sometimes being aware of misinformation can provide a suitable weapon to refute it.
However if people are newly diagnosed, confused and floundering, seeing such subject headings on a post may be all they need to dissuade them from attempting a very suitable diet that does work for many of us - without then necessarily reading Kevin's post any further or carefully enough to see his caveat. In that situation it's very easy to take such articles at face value, particularly if you know nothing about the subject in question.
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I would credit any one seeking information with more intellect than that.
You obviously don't live in my corner of the universe then...
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I would have thought that most people visiting the website for the first time is unlikely to make a beeline for what, at that point, is an obscure post, but would go to the newbie parts of the forum like Newly Diagnosed if they are serious about getting started. If that is the case it rather negates the whole argument on this thread, which looks like it is starting to degenerate. @himtoo Would suggest a mod considers closing it down at this point.I would hope that anyone bothering to visit the website for information, would go beyond reading one title, of one post, and basing their lifetime choice on a single line, if they were unfortunate enough to only see this particular one, and for some reason every other post was hidden.
I would credit any one seeking information with more intellect than that.
I am absolutely in agreement with what you are saying @himtoo. My point was that when a thread starts to unravel and become heated it starts to move off topic, which rather suggests that it might have run its course and its time to move on.I have been pondering what to say towards this topic and as mods we try to keep topics alive as much as possible.
For every person that posts on a topic there are another 3 or 4 that are not brave or confident enough to consider posting.
They get frightened by some of the very strong and aggressive posting by some members of the forum.
we call them lurkers and they are a huge part of this community , many of these people are newly diagnosed and indeed do read many topics on many subjects.
They certainly do not confine their searching to greetings and introductions.
just to give an idea on the potential numbers looking at topics but not replying
currently 205,949 members ( and easily double that in people that have not yet joined but just view as guests )
if just 1/40th of 1% of people on the forum look at this topic that is approx 200 people that will view and never ever post.
this forum is massive and touches many many lives and is growing bigger all the time.
Exactly so why would we take any notice of it. For those not diabetic or overweight why would they want to cut their carbs
I would hope that anyone bothering to visit the website for information, would go beyond reading one title, of one post, and basing their lifetime choice on a single line, if they were unfortunate enough to only see this particular one, and for some reason every other post was hidden.
I would credit any one seeking information with more intellect than that.
What I do think is that we do not emphasis enough to newbies who come here that LCHF is very good but is not suitable for everyone. Some have other medical conditions which it may not suit so it would be sensible to consult their HCP's first before making any changes to their diet
Jason Fung says insulin resistance drives obesity.. eating carbs, especially sucrose/fructose, will increase insulin resistance and make you hungry all the time. And want to snack on sugary/starchy stuff all day.. and get fat. I read the linked article above.. and half of what was said doesn't make sense. Lol the trainer says you just lose water weight on low carb diet.. okay what happens AFTER you burn that glycogen store? You burn fat.. he seemed to stop at that point. So stupid. i.e. AS IF a LCHF diet STOPS the moment you burn you glycogen store within 2-4 days. LCHF diet is a LIFETIME change.. permanent diet -- LOL not for 2 days until we burn up our glycogen store.
Same old calorie in/ calories out model.. restricted calories.. never works.. it's hormonal as Jason Fung explains -- all about insulin resistance and persistent high insulin levels due to snacking/grazing all day. LCHF intermittent fasting (6 hour feasting window, 18 hour fasting) is working wonders for me.. never hungry, more energy then ever.. losing weight like crazy while stuffing myself in that six hour window. 18 hours of low insulin levels .. you are no longer hungry; and also during that 18 hours your digestive system gets a break and body can focus on other important things.
EDIT: you don't have to be diabetic to have high insulin resistance.. it could be that you have an awesome tough pancreas that can keep up with the abuse. My brother is 300 pounds with blood sguar of 85 afer eating.. but that doesn't mean he doesn't have high insulin.. just means his pancreas can currently keep up. Might not be that way forever for him. I have diabetes after all. but I have been morbidly obese all my life.. heavier than him and for longer.
IMHO Jason Fung puts forward an interesting hypothesis or two, and I find them interesting. But I do not follow Guru's willy nilly. I do not worship them either. However, so far what they propose seems to be of significanrt benefit to many on this Forum, and that for me is the proof of the pudding.
IMHO Jason Fung puts forward an interesting hypothesis or two, and I find them interesting. But I do not follow Guru's willy nilly. I do not worship them either. However, so far what they propose seems to be of significanrt benefit to many on this Forum, and that for me is the proof of the pudding.
You clearly don't read the same threads as me then.
Every single T2 newbie thread that I read has Daisy1's contribution (no pushing LCHF there), and several people promoting self testing, to tailor make a diet that works for them. There are usually comments from others who offer alternate views.
In addition, the DCUK website, and a pinned intro thread, strongly promote the Low Carb programme, which is very careful to introduce carb reduction systematically and sensibly over 10 weeks, of structured education. Again, carb control and real food are emphasised, not gobs of HF.
However, if you feel so strongly, why not post systematically on the newbie threads yourself? People like @bluetit , myself, @liam1955 and many others have been doing so for years, trying to offer newbies a non-pressured welcome where they can find their feet and find what works for them.
I just read the article and find it complete rubbish. The part about being low energy and cranky with low carb is just the opposite on how I feel on low carb. Thanks to advice on this site I am eating better and feeling better.
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