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Wine, chocolate and ice-cream

Jaylee said:
Hi,

Deserts I've passed up on since diagnosis at the age of 8...
The guilt tripping "catholic" programming from my early years as a diabetic put pay to that..
Though to be polite with the "norms" at a social, I will nibble on the cheese & a light cracker from the selection & let the others have their cake and eat it..!
A dry white? Fair play... Even with red meat..!

My real weakness in the past has been a lot "darker" than I care to mention on an open forum...
(Possibly due to a misconception in my youth it wouldn't have any lasting effects on my condition as alcohol would..)



I can associate with that Mushroom I once told a consultant when questioned as a teenager that I lived on a diet of mince pies....
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I DID live on a diet of mince pies - hence the weight gain. If anyone asks about my diet now, I say it has been refined down to red wine, cheese and chocolate. (With nuts, seeds, seeds, fish, meat, fat, avocados and all the rest of LCHF foods, of course).
 
Scandichic said:
Just wondering if anyone else indulges in a glass of white wine on a Friday and Saturday night? I have also started ending my evening meal with a square of dark choccie. I made home made ice cream and had 2 scoops (50g frozen raspberries, 50ml of double cream and 1/3 tsp sweetener) this week. I eat LCHF. What do you think?
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I have a glass of dry wine (usually white, sometimes red) and a square of 90% dark chocolate every night and maintain excellent BG control. I can't really cope with any fruit these days, so ice cream is out. I used to make it with whipped double cream and berries, no sweeteners, and could eat it a couple of times a month. Now if I want pudding I put nuts and broken dark chocolate into a bowl and pour double cream over it.

Kate
 
Brunneria said:
Alcohol isn't something I enjoy, but I love chocolate, and have gradually switched to dark. I've ended up eating lo carb/lo GL through mapping out my own foods by blood glucose, rather than following food lists and discovered that I can tolerate as low as 45% cocoa solids, provided it is eaten after a meal. And of course, it's an important food group, packed with antioxidants! ;)

My faves are
Lindt dark, with blueberries or strawberries. The fruit adds sweetness without much added sugar.
Aldi and Lidl both do FANTASTIC dark choc ranges; orange, mint, cherry, chilli, naked and nutty.

Ice cream is a bit of a sore subject. I used to eat it often, because I read somewhere that ice cream has a weirdly low GI considering its ingredients. Then I got the blood glucose meter and tested after a delicious and (possibly a little too large) portion of ice cream. It was bad. And it stayed bad for hours, and my on waking test the next morning was high too!

So now, sadly, I only eat ice cream I've made myself - same recipe as Scanichic.
It's nice, but it ain't Ben and Kerry's. :(
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Yes, I read the bit about it being low GI. Think it's the fat content. Sort of thing the NHS puts on a food list!
 
Mushroom said:
Ice cream, perhaps as berries and cream OK for LCHF.
Dark chocolate - high cocoa content. 95% ideally but I prefer 75%.
White wine - no. Relatively high in sugar unless dry. Look at some comparisons. Red might be better due to flavanoids.
I wouldn't be able to 'treat' myself and not begin overeating again. My advice would be to use food as fuel or medicine or health benefits but NOT as a treat!
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I could never think of food as being just fuel or medicine Eating is one of the greatest pleasures in life and even diabetics should be able to enjoy it whatever their chosen diet is and every one deserves a treat now and then
 
Brunneria said:
Alcohol isn't something I enjoy, but I love chocolate, and have gradually switched to dark. I've ended up eating lo carb/lo GL through mapping out my own foods by blood glucose, rather than following food lists and discovered that I can tolerate as low as 45% cocoa solids, provided it is eaten after a meal. And of course, it's an important food group, packed with antioxidants! ;)

My faves are
Lindt dark, with blueberries or strawberries. The fruit adds sweetness without much added sugar.
Aldi and Lidl both do FANTASTIC dark choc ranges; orange, mint, cherry, chilli, naked and nutty.

Ice cream is a bit of a sore subject. I used to eat it often, because I read somewhere that ice cream has a weirdly low GI considering its ingredients. Then I got the blood glucose meter and tested after a delicious and (possibly a little too large) portion of ice cream. It was bad. And it stayed bad for hours, and my on waking test the next morning was high too!

So now, sadly, I only eat ice cream I've made myself - same recipe as Scanichic.
It's nice, but it ain't Ben and Kerry's. :(
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Yes but you know what's in it!!!!! :)
 
kesun said:
I have a glass of dry wine (usually white, sometimes red) and a square of 90% dark chocolate every night and maintain excellent BG control. I can't really cope with any fruit these days, so ice cream is out. I used to make it with whipped double cream and berries, no sweeteners, and could eat it a couple of times a month. Now if I want pudding I put nuts and broken dark chocolate into a bowl and pour double cream over it.

Kate
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When I was in my early thirties I lost loads when preggers with oldest child because I dint have my daily glass of white. I have always been awkward! Just trying to work out if I can have a glass of white on a Friday and Saturday although I've got 3.5 stones to go in weight loss! I have lost 1.5 stones and the scales only say one at a time please instead of no coach parties please!! :hilarious:
 
Yorksman said:
Yeah, you have to go cook on your own and eat outside and who wants to eat smoked ribs anyway?


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Looking at the olive trees in the background I'm guessing that he doesn't live in the uk as we only ever seem to manage 2 weeks of hot weather a year and these are towards the end of the summer term when everyone including the kids are feeling tired and teasy!
 
AnnieC said:
I could never think of food as being just fuel or medicine Eating is one of the greatest pleasures in life and even diabetics should be able to enjoy it whatever their chosen diet is and every one deserves a treat now and then
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A treat, if a rare treat had unfortunately but we live in a society where advertising, access to highly calorific food and expectations that we deserve certain food leads to over-consumption. My husband can take or leave food but I cannot, unfortunately. :(
 
Scandichic said:
When I was in my early thirties I lost loads when preggers with oldest child because I dint have my daily glass of white.
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Were you already diabetic? Mine was first diagnosed as gestational db (understandably as I was preggers at the time!), and the main symptom was failing to gain any weight. I don't want to dampen your enthusiasm for spurning the demon drink, but I wonder whether insulin resistance of pregnancy compounded underlying db (diagnoses or otherwise) and led to weight loss?

OK, I admit that I hate to think of anyone giving up something as life-enhancing as a glass of wine after a long week until all other possibilities have been exhausted :)

Kate
 
kesun said:
Were you already diabetic? Mine was first diagnosed as gestational db (understandably as I was preggers at the time!), and the main symptom was failing to gain any weight. I don't want to dampen your enthusiasm for spurning the demon drink, but I wonder whether insulin resistance of pregnancy compounded underlying db (diagnoses or otherwise) and led to weight loss?

OK, I admit that I hate to think of anyone giving up something as life-enhancing as a glass of wine after a long week until all other possibilities have been exhausted :)

Kate
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Sorry but checked for gestational diabetes both times - including yucky drink but fine. Apparently 2000 calories in a bottle of wine. 1 bottle a week. Extra 2000 calories. Sorry to be bearer of bad news! :(
 
Scandichic said:
Sorry but checked for gestational diabetes both times - including yucky drink but fine. Apparently 2000 calories in a bottle of wine. 1 bottle a week. Extra 2000 calories. Sorry to be bearer of bad news!
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Thank goodness I don't count calories! I did give up my favourite gin and tonic because tonic spikes my BG and gin alone is less of a taste than an assault on the taste buds, but luckily dry wine works for me. The only time it didn't was when I accidentally bought alcohol-free wine (basically grape juice in a wine bottle) and couldn't understand why my BG was spiking every night. Not one of my brightest moments.

I do hope you manage to sort out what works for your BG and weight without undue deprivation. From what you say you've done brilliantly so far.

Kate
 
kesun said:
Thank goodness I don't count calories! I did give up my favourite gin and tonic because tonic spikes my BG and gin alone is less of a taste than an assault on the taste buds, but luckily dry wine works for me. The only time it didn't was when I accidentally bought alcohol-free wine (basically grape juice in a wine bottle) and couldn't understand why my BG was spiking every night. Not one of my brightest moments.

I do hope you manage to sort out what works for your BG and weight without undue deprivation. From what you say you've done brilliantly so far.

Kate
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It's posts like this which make me feel so glad I found this forum! As I have already said, I want the wine but deep down think it's probably not good and may impede weight loss! I will probably have a glass tomorrow as it's mothers day ! That's my excuse! :hilarious: Thank you for your support!
 
Mushroom said:
White wine - no. Relatively high in sugar unless dry.
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A big problem is that alcoholic beverages do not have nutritional information.

"Relatively high" may mean just about anything in absolute terms. (Wine would also be relatively LOW in comparison to the fruit juice it was made from...)

(Even much demonised soft drinks are rarely over 10% sugars. Less than fruit juices or milkshakes.)
 
Scandichic said:
I made home made ice cream and had 2 scoops (50g frozen raspberries, 50ml of double cream and 1/3 tsp sweetener) this week.
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This is likely to be very different from the typical shop bought "ice cream" as well as considerably "healthier".
One thing to look out for is sweeteners containing maltodextrins, assuming there is a need to add any...
 
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This is likely to be very different from the typical shop bought "ice cream" as well as considerably "healthier".
One thing to look out for is sweeteners containing maltodextrins, assuming there is a need to add any...
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Used trubia but made it for 3. Next time am going to miss out the sweetener. I'll let you know how it goes!
 
Mushroom said:
I used to teach the NHS Eatwell Plate in Nutrition classes and couldn't understand the emphasis on starch then.
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It the context of diabetes it makes even less sense (at least to anyone who understands chemistry). Maybe the chemical processes of the digestive system are no longer taught...

Adapting to diabetes and LCHF? There's a thread on here called 'Viv's Modified Diet' - great for LCHF food recommendations.
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Historically LCHF, when not a "normal diet", appears to have been used more often for diabetes control than weight (fat) loss.

This is especially notable in the case of William Banting, who was put on a low carbohydrate diet after his doctor had attended a presentation on diabetes.
 
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