Yes I am cured !!!

Brillant. good luck to you Wish you all the best, what a lovely surprise.

Hi,
I don't think Cured, I don't think you were diabetic anyway with readings like that
All the best

This just goes to show how unreliable a fasting glucose test can be!

Well done Mark, great news.

I'm delighted for you.

Excellent Mark, well done!

Great news

Mark James said:

I had my first meeting today with the DN since being dx in December she said i am not diabetic because i have not had 2 fasting bg results over 7 and a gtt would possibly show pre diabetes at the worst.
My results were Hba1c 5.3 previous 5.4, fasting bg 5.5 previous 5.8, cholesterol 5.0 previous 5,8 ldl 3.6 (bit gutted) hdl 1.1 trig 0.56, bp 111/80 kidney and liver function all good, potassium good, feet fine, still need to drop a few kg but i am happy she is also the first person who does not advocate the healthy plate and believes the way forward is to try and limit carbs all in all i was very impressed by her attitude, she also said she wants people to test so they can see what effect food, stress, and illness has on bg and so can try to control it more.

Mark

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THAT'S GREAT MARK,I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN GET BETTER AND YOU'VE PROVED IT.CHEERS RICHARD

Mark James said:

I had my first meeting today with the DN since being dx in December she said i am not diabetic because i have not had 2 fasting bg results over 7 and a gtt would possibly show pre diabetes at the worst.
My results were Hba1c 5.3 previous 5.4, fasting bg 5.5 previous 5.8, cholesterol 5.0 previous 5,8 ldl 3.6 (bit gutted) hdl 1.1 trig 0.56, bp 111/80 kidney and liver function all good, potassium good, feet fine, still need to drop a few kg but i am happy she is also the first person who does not advocate the healthy plate and believes the way forward is to try and limit carbs all in all i was very impressed by her attitude, she also said she wants people to test so they can see what effect food, stress, and illness has on bg and so can try to control it more.

Mark

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Many congratulations on gaining excellent control.

I wish that did mean you are cured. I find it easy to remind myself a cure is yet to be discovered. All I have to do is test an hour after a foolish high carb meal.

If I have an Indian I have the tandoori half chicken with salad. Mmmm!!!
Curry and rice, too much for me, maybe one day soon!

Mark James said:

I had my first meeting today with the DN since being dx in December she said i am not diabetic because i have not had 2 fasting bg results over 7 and a gtt would possibly show pre diabetes at the worst.

Mark

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administer your own OGTT Mark ,

drink 75 ml of lucozade and test at an hour and 2 hours after.

You also need to eat 150g of carb for a few days before ogtt

Alan S said:

Many congratulations on gaining excellent control.

I wish that did mean you are cured. I find it easy to remind myself a cure is yet to be discovered. All I have to do is test an hour after a foolish high carb meal.

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There is a cure which has worked for one or two people. The Newcastle diet. It didn't work for me but it has worked for some.

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There is a cure which has worked for one or two people. The Newcastle diet. It didn't work for me but it has worked for some.

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That research is far too recent to make claims like that. Similar claims were made for bariatric surgery a few years ago, some are still claiming it despite the reports of relapses.

I'll accept it after the study subjects have passed sufficient years after the trial eating like non-diabetics.

Alan S said:

That research is far too recent to make claims like that. Similar claims were made for bariatric surgery a few years ago, some are still claiming it despite the reports of relapses.

I'll accept it after the study subjects have passed sufficient years after the trial eating like non-diabetics.

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That's a clever remark!........Because even if they are cured they will still have all the factors that pre-disposed them to diabetes in the first place, and eating badly was probably the thing that tipped them into becoming diabetic. So they will have to eat like a non-diabetic, but sensibly, to prove the cure or they will become diabetic again.

Alan S said:

That research is far too recent to make claims like that. Similar claims were made for bariatric surgery a few years ago, some are still claiming it despite the reports of relapses.

I'll accept it after the study subjects have passed sufficient years after the trial eating like non-diabetics.

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So if you were offered to take part in a clinical trial for a new treatment, say a heart operation, would you? Or would you wait several years until it had been tried and tested on others first? Like the Newcastle diet there would be possible risks and possible benefits which would be outlined but not proved.

zand said:

That's a clever remark!........Because even if they are cured they will still have all the factors that pre-disposed them to diabetes in the first place, and eating badly was probably the thing that tipped them into becoming diabetic. So they will have to eat like a non-diabetic, but sensibly, to prove the cure or they will become diabetic again.

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Sorry, I disagree.

First, I disagree that eating badly causes type 2 diabetes. It may be an exacerbating factor but no research has yet found a causative link between diet and diabetes.

Second, if a person cannot eat eat like a non-diabetic then they are still diabetic. It is as simple as that. They may be under good control, but they are not cured.

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There is a cure which has worked for one or two people. The Newcastle diet. It didn't work for me but it has worked for some.

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It may seem like heresy to say this, but the Newcastle study does seem to be sending out false hopes to a large number of diabetics especially given only 7 out of the 11 participants showed a 'remission' from their diabetic symptoms and there's little information on what happened to those on the programme in the weeks and months following the trial.

I have to wonder if those for whom the Newcastle Diet works are not actually diabetic at all but just have high bg levels because of all the high carb food they eat. After all, if a person is morbidly obese then their calorific intake must be very high to maintain that weight and therefore maybe their pancreas just cannot produce enough insulin regardless of what condition it's in. Hence a sudden reduction in calorie intake, which results in a similarly large reduction in weight means that the pancreas now has the capacity to produce insulin to balance the glucose being eaten therefore their BG levels fall back into the non-diabetic range.

Perhaps someone with more knowledge about the Newcatsle Study can confirm if the researchers compared the C-peptide results for the trial patients with the results from a similar number of non-diabetics. I've searched for this information but have been unable to find it.