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Yes I am cured !!!

julifriend said:
It may seem like heresy to say this, but the Newcastle study does seem to be sending out false hopes to a large number of diabetics especially given only 7 out of the 11 participants showed a 'remission' from their diabetic symptoms and there's little information on what happened to those on the programme in the weeks and months following the trial.

I have to wonder if those for whom the Newcastle Diet works are not actually diabetic at all but just have high bg levels because of all the high carb food they eat. After all, if a person is morbidly obese then their calorific intake must be very high to maintain that weight and therefore maybe their pancreas just cannot produce enough insulin regardless of what condition it's in. Hence a sudden reduction in calorie intake, which results in a similarly large reduction in weight means that the pancreas now has the capacity to produce insulin to balance the glucose being eaten therefore their BG levels fall back into the non-diabetic range.

Perhaps someone with more knowledge about the Newcatsle Study can confirm if the researchers compared the C-peptide results for the trial patients with the results from a similar number of non-diabetics. I've searched for this information but have been unable to find it.
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Yes I tend to agree. I gained false hope from it and was disappointed, but some have benefitted and I'm pleased for them.

I was thinking along the lines of your second paragraph when you replied, so that saved me the bother. Thanks. Although in my case once I was morbidly obese I managed to maintain that weight on around 1200 calories a day! - I did eat a lot of carbs and fat to get me there in the first place though.
 
Alan S said:
Sorry, I disagree.

First, I disagree that eating badly causes type 2 diabetes. It may be an exacerbating factor but no research has yet found a causative link between diet and diabetes.

Second, if a person cannot eat eat like a non-diabetic then they are still diabetic. It is as simple as that. They may be under good control, but they are not cured.
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I did say 'eat like a non-diabetic, but sensibly' In other words using general mainstream healthy eating guidelines, but not over indulging in junk foods. If they can do that for say 5+ years then that's a cure. I cannot do this, one or two people can.
 
julifriend said:
if a person is morbidly obese then their calorific intake must be very high to maintain that weight
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That is a very cut and dried statement.

It probably applies to the majority, but definitely doesn't apply to some - several of whom post here.

So while your statement has a general, common sense sort of application, it's a mistake to apply it broadly - that kind of thinking by health care professional has made life very miserable for a lot of people. In my case, I had 20 years of being told I could lose weight on more calories than I was actually eating. Then I get a diagnosis of haywire hormones (PCOS and prolactinoma) and suddenly the consultant is impressed that I am not gaining weight steadily.

Hypothyroidism and some vit deficiencies will do it too.
 
Fantastic news Mark! It gives me great hope that I can also be in your position one day. I was only diagnosed two weeks ago. Had hba1c of 50. Two boarder line fasting BG tests. I have lost 16llb since diagnosis. All my own blood tests for fasting has been in the range of 4.8 to 5.6. Highest reading since I been testing is 6.5 1hr post eating. Lowest is 4.3 post exercise. At diagnosis my cholesterol was 5.2. I am low carbing and off the booze.


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gaz tred said:
Fantastic news Mark! It gives me great hope that I can also be in your position one day. I was only diagnosed two weeks ago. Had hba1c of 50. Two boarder line fasting BG tests. I have lost 16llb since diagnosis. All my own blood tests for fasting has been in the range of 4.8 to 5.6. Highest reading since I been testing is 6.5 1hr post eating. Lowest is 4.3 post exercise. At diagnosis my cholesterol was 5.2. I am low carbing and off the booze.


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Well done Gaz, i have lost 25 kg since December and aim to loose a bit more i dont test as much as i did and i dont get any big fluctuations in bg readings any more i used to go from 4.4 to 7.4 now i am always around 5.2 to 6.5 with 6.5 about an hour after meals, i dont take alot of notice of my waking levels as they are usually 5.5 to 6.4 depending on when i test ( my meter is not as accurate as the hospital ones) i tend to stay away from **** carbs like bread white rice, pasta, and potatoes, when i used to eat it, it made me feel really lethargic so i dont miss it at all, i am not a drinker but i can drink and some times i will drink a bottle or 2 of red wine but this is very rare because once i start i cant stop, all your readings are very similar to mine so keep up the good work but i dont think the odd little blow out will hurt you once you have control, i think if i didnt do this (very rarely) i think i would go mad, i just test alot afterwards to make sure everything is ok and i have never had any adverse reactions, the way your readings are i dont think it will be long til have the same conversation, To be honest i dont really think i am cured i will conduct my own ogtt to see what happens but what ever the result i would not go back to how i used to be.

Mark
 
Thanks for the encouragement Mark, appreciate it. I think I need to lose another couple of stone to be happy with my weight, under 13st 7 would be good and 12st anything would be great. The low carb eating does not bother me at all but I am seriously missing the Stella!! Not had a drink since diagnosis and don't plan on having one until at least after my DN appointment in another 2 weeks. I was a relatively big drinker, 2 or 3 pints a night and then probably 15 pints and spirits at the weekend. Defo time for a lifestyle change. If I can get to the point where I am well controlled all week and if I fancy I drink at the weekend I can have one I will be ok! Just can't see
Me living the rest of my life not being able to go out for a little drink up.


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I was a relatively big drinker, 2 or 3 pints a night and then probably 15 pints and spirits at the weekend. Defo time for a lifestyle change. If I can get to the point where I am well controlled all week and if I fancy I drink at the weekend I can have one I will be ok! Just can't see
Me living the rest of my life not being able to go out for a little drink up.


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That must have been quite hard to give up the stella i used to drink proper beer (real ales) had to give up auntie (stella) kept waking up in strange police cells, if i do have a drink now its red wine or spirits i do like a jd and coke, diet obviously. The good thing is you know what to do to control your condition and you have the balls to do it, some people dont care or just carry on regardless others have not been given the support, i think it should be mandatory to spend some time on websites like these so people can see that with a bit of effort you can try and take control of your life again i know not everyone will get the same results but the knowledge on here is invaluable and even small improvements can mean alot to long term complications

Mark
 
Totally agree Mark! I love a jd myself. Just struggle to not finish the bottle once I have started.
What low carb meals did you eat to lose 25kg in seven months? That's a great result. Was thinking about trying the Newcastle not brown but diet. Having an all or nothing nature thought I could do it?


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gaz tred said:
Totally agree Mark! I love a jd myself. Just struggle to not finish the bottle once I have started.
What low carb meals did you eat to lose 25kg in seven months? That's a great result. Was thinking about trying the Newcastle not brown but diet. Having an all or nothing nature thought I could do it?


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For breakfast i have a fry up eggs sausage tomatoes mushroom and bacon or a cheese omelette, (some times at the weekend i go and have a buffet breakfast and if i told you what i eat you would not believe it even then it has veyr little effect on my bg after 2 hours) when i am working i have a protein shake. For lunch i have a fish salad either prawns salmon mackerel or squid ,for dinner i eat as much meat as i want pork chicken beef lamb with lots of green veg, cauliflower rice or cauliflower mash, celeriac i also eat beans and peas and carrots, for desert i have full fat Greek yogurt with a spoon of stevia and some berries either blackberries raspberries strawberries or gooseberries, or sugar free jelly and a couple of squares of 85% chocolate if i want a snack i have a handful or 2 of mixed nuts, pork scratching s or cold meats and cheese. Every Friday i have a take away curry i always have poppadoms and onion bahgi with it, i drink lots of tea and coffee, sugar free blackcurrant or orange and mango squash, flavored waters, diet coke or any diet drink , the odd red wine and the odd jd and coke (probably once every 3 months i have a blow out on the booze mainly red wine and jd) and boy does that give me a hang over, but never really effects my bg.
spare ribs in sticky sauce does not effect me either nor does chicken in breadcrumbs they are the only dodgy things i have eaten so far.
i used to test 1 hour after eating all the time and never really went above 6.5 now i only test 2 hours after eating and am nearly always in the 5s, some of the things i eat will effect people in different ways just eat and drink and test and try to keep away from anything you think spikes you, i always aim to be under 6, 2 hours after eating and so far so good

Mark
 
Mark James said:
For breakfast i have a fry up eggs sausage tomatoes mushroom and bacon or a cheese omelette, (some times at the weekend i go and have a buffet breakfast and if i told you what i eat you would not believe it even then it has veyr little effect on my bg after 2 hours) when i am working i have a protein shake. For lunch i have a fish salad either prawns salmon mackerel or squid ,for dinner i eat as much meat as i want pork chicken beef lamb with lots of green veg, cauliflower rice or cauliflower mash, celeriac i also eat beans and peas and carrots, for desert i have full fat Greek yogurt with a spoon of stevia and some berries either blackberries raspberries strawberries or gooseberries, or sugar free jelly and a couple of squares of 85% chocolate if i want a snack i have a handful or 2 of mixed nuts, pork scratching s or cold meats and cheese. Every Friday i have a take away curry i always have poppadoms and onion bahgi with it, i drink lots of tea and coffee, sugar free blackcurrant or orange and mango squash, flavored waters, diet coke or any diet drink , the odd red wine and the odd jd and coke (probably once every 3 months i have a blow out on the booze mainly red wine and jd) and boy does that give me a hang over, but never really effects my bg.
spare ribs in sticky sauce does not effect me either nor does chicken in breadcrumbs they are the only dodgy things i have eaten so far.
i used to test 1 hour after eating all the time and never really went above 6.5 now i only test 2 hours after eating and am nearly always in the 5s, some of the things i eat will effect people in different ways just eat and drink and test and try to keep away from anything you think spikes you, i always aim to be under 6, 2 hours after eating and so far so good

Mark
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Sounds like a similar diet to me apart from the fish! I do not tend to eat 3 meals a day. Usually never have lunch but sausage, poached egg and rashers during the week. Breaded chicken Has no effect on me either. One hour post eating I have never been higher than 6.1
 
gaz tred said:
Sounds like a similar diet to me apart from the fish! I do not tend to eat 3 meals a day. Usually never have lunch but sausage, poached egg and rashers during the week. Breaded chicken Has no effect on me either. One hour post eating I have never been higher than 6.1
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Your doing really well keep it up buddy

Mark
 
Alan S said:
Sorry, I disagree.

First, I disagree that eating badly causes type 2 diabetes. It may be an exacerbating factor but no research has yet found a causative link between diet and diabetes.

Second, if a person cannot eat eat like a non-diabetic then they are still diabetic. It is as simple as that. They may be under good control, but they are not cured.
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Totally agree, there have been links with medications, vaccines, EMF contrast dye, pesticides, and neurotoxins from air pollution, additives in foods, causing diabetes. ...
 
@Quirky

Interesting, contrast dye?
Strangely enough before my hba1c test I had a contrast media scan of the heart. Probably only a week or two before!!
Do you have any literature regarding this.
 
I had contrast dye for a CT scan the other week. No-one was concerned about my diabetes, just whether my kidney function is good as it can cause injury to the kidneys.
 
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