I think you said in one of your posts that you had reduced your sugar. Surely it's the fact that you made some reduction in your carbs that has helped and not the absolute amount you are having. I agree there is no one amount of carbs that each of us can tolerate hence eating to the meter which you rightly recommend.
Mj, I'm interested in 5.2, how many calories does that 250-500g carbs equate to over 7 days. What do you define as active, when you're active and how does that fit in with 5.2?@daddys1
Neil. I usually eat between 250-500g of carb a day. I have porridge or granola for breakfast. I'll have a sandwich if I'm having an active day and fruit or a salad if I'm not active. Dinner is meat and rice or meat and some type of potato with veg. I also didn't mention beer! My one treat!
I eat a fairly balanced diet. Fasting days are low carb usually. Fruit for breakfast and lunch and meat on its own or an omelette for dinner
Mj, I'm interested in 5.2, how many calories does that 250-500g carbs equate to over 7 days. What do you define as active, when you're active and how does that fit in with 5.2?
Cheers Hj
Hi Mike, I nearly said in my earlier post that for you it is weight related and been caught early, but if I was to have what you have suggested, which would be the eat well plate, "large.chicken kebab in pitta and chips" in moderation of course, I would be spiked towards 9mmol/l. Even nowI think less.weight and fat has normalised insulin resistance. I love a large.chicken kebab in pitta and chips. In Feb just after diagnosis I'd be 6.8 to 7.5 two hours layer. The same has me at less than 5 now. I thibk losing weight has been the key driver for me. Mainly because I know 18 months ago I wasn't diabetic. Early capture for me has put the outcom In my hands I thibk
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Neil. I usually eat between 250-500g of carb a day. I have porridge or granola for breakfast. I'll have a sandwich if I'm having an active day and fruit or a salad if I'm not active. Dinner is meat and rice or meat and some type of potato with veg. I also didn't mention beer! My one treat!
I eat a fairly balanced diet. Fasting days are low carb usually. Fruit for breakfast and lunch and meat on its own or an omelette for dinner
Interesting thread so far. I quite like my diabetes nurse, even though she toes the party line on type 2 dietary advice (i.e. eat to the "healthy" plate guidelines), although she does admit that maybe the guidelines have too much carbs.
Anyway, I think it is extremely rare (but not impossible!) that the official health care industry dietary advice given to type 2 diabetics actually works to reverse or stop the progression of the disease. I say that because at our first meeting my nurse told me categorically that type 2 is progressive and that I would be on more and more meds over the years until finally I would be on insulin. I told her then that my diabetes would not be progressing. The next meeting when my blood glucose was in the normal range she mentioned that she remembered me saying that and was quite happy and impressed with my results. I think she is a little sceptical of my diet and wants to see my cholesterol numbers before she is convinced that what I am doing is actually healthy.
You can't really blame the nurses, dieticians and doctors. They are trained the way they are trained and no single patient is going to change that. Just try to be civil and try to show them by example that there is a better diet for treating type 2 diabetes than the standard high carb/low fat government diet. I think I am slowly getting mine on board with the program, but time will tell.
Here Here !@daddys1 I had a couple of attempts at responding to those numbers and couldn't find a way to express it coherently. Even taking the 5:2 regime into account, an average intake of between 215g - 357g carbs per day, resulting in a fasting BG of 4.1 and HbA1c of 32 (5.1) would suggest someone who isn't actually diabetic, so saying that eating pattern works for him as a diabetic regime can't be a valid argument.
I completely agree.
Like @Mrsmac247 I also saw my DN this morning. Mine was for my 6 month diabetic review. She couldn't wait to congratulate me on my drop in HbA1c from 51 in September to 43 today. She commented on my weight loss and asked if I was still low carbing. I confirmed I was and it was now a way of life for me.
We had a little chat about the eating regimes and as I've contributed my own case story to Dr Trudi Deakins recent survey, I mentioned that I was confident the tide was beginning to turn with HCP's with regard to the Eatwell plate and dietary advice given to diabetics . She agreed with me completely and confessed that she also low carbs and has reduced carbs from her diet and feels better for it.
I came away not only feeling elated with my drop in HbA1c but totally supported by my DN and encouraged to continue with my choice of LCHF which I've now been following for over a year. I'm sorry that @Mrsmac247 and others haven't had the same experience but I really do believe the day will come.
Those of us who successfully low carb are trailblazers and there will naturally be resistance from those who cannot grasp the concept or for whom it doesn't work. It can be lonely and isolating without the support of forums. Hang in there and keep up the good work.
I picked up your reply here after my other one.
Hi Mike, I Genuinely thank you for your clear honesty, but for your standpoint your are clearly misunderstanding that whole Diabetic situation, if you are eating that 250 to 500 number of carbs then you have no comprehension of the seriousness for diabetic eating at that quantity of carbs per day, These are normal consumption figures of people not diagnosed with diabetes. The normal daily recommended intake for an 'un' repeat undiagnosed normal person is 260grams per day. I'm having to be on around 50grams, your eating up to 500.
I'm sorry to say this, but you ain't got a clue.
Neil
@daddys1 I had a couple of attempts at responding to those numbers and couldn't find a way to express it coherently. Even taking the 5:2 regime into account, an average intake of between 215g - 357g carbs per day, resulting in a fasting BG of 4.1 and HbA1c of 32 (5.1) would suggest someone who isn't actually diabetic, so saying that eating pattern works for him as a diabetic regime can't be a valid argument.
That much is true. I've had several phases of achieving that myself as I dropped weight over the last 23 years. But I am testimony to the fact that even if you don't gain weight (I never have) it doesn't always last, you bounce back a bit with time.Insulin resistance can improve and reduced levels of fat can improve function of organs.
I believe that's also true if caught early and it's maybe a consequence of carrying too much weight, especially in the liver, that is then dropped.mike said:Diabetes can be put in remission.
But if you've come out of a diabetic state, that is a spurious argument as your body is now responding to food as a non-diabetic, so saying that your diabetes is controlled by your extremely carb heavy diet is not a valid argument for your regime as a way to control diabetes.mike said:Eating what I do is a consequence of eating to my meter!
I don't think for one minute that you actually are and you continue to miss the point.mike said:I'm fighting the same fight as you!
Just goes to show we all are different and respond differently to food and medications
No it isn't, you're really not getting the point. My regime is different from a lot of people here and as Patsy pointed out, everyone is individual and responds to food differently and needs to therefore tailor their regime to what works for them. I'm not suggesting that you eat the way I have to because that wouldn't be appropriate for you. My problem is that you're putting forwards a spurious argument that needs challenging.So your problem is I'm doing it differently from you!
No it isn't, you're really not getting the point. My regime is different from a lot of people here and as Patsy pointed out, everyone is individual and responds to food differently and needs to therefore tailor their regime to what works for them. I'm not suggesting that you eat the way I have to because that wouldn't be appropriate for you. My problem is that you're putting forwards a spurious argument that needs challenging.
I already said I'm happy for you, if it has worked for you, then that's good. But you've come out of a diabetic state by dropping weight, because presumably you were only just dipping into a diabetic state by being overweight to start with. I would suggest that it's the weight loss that's improved your BGs, not your carb-heavy eating practices.
You're only getting away with your regime at the moment because you're not responding to food like a diabetic. I'd be prepared to bet that if your weight and your numbers start creeping up and you move into a diabetic state again, you wouldn't find the carb-heavy regime you're currently practicing would continue to work for you.
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