interesting statistics, maybe saturated fats are beneficial against CHD

[Freema]

the statistics published 27 September 2016
http://www.foodandnutritionresearch.net/index.php/fnr/article/view/31694


it is far too complicated for me to really grab it all, but maybe some higly intelligent person in here can get the essenses and give an abstract...

but it sure is interesting statistics... a lot of earlier claims of what is healthy and not healthy is challenged in this material...

it could be the best argument for lchf untill date...

 

[Phoenix55]

Being a bear of average brain the study goes into depth about the problems with using Europe-wide statistics and the variables that affect the results (self-selection, reporting over the long term, differences in the health spend of different countries etc.) There is also an emphasis on the results showing a national trend and not necessarily being applicable to every individual. The importance of the study for me is in the final sentence - Therefore, in the light of the growing evidence pointing to the negative role of carbohydrates, and considering the lack of any association between saturated fat and CVDs, we are convinced that the current recommendations regarding diet and CVDs should be seriously reconsidered. In other words cereals, even whole grain, potatoes, excess spirit alcohol etc seem to be linked to heart disease and saturated fats from dairy, particularly cheese, are not. Moderate intake of red wine also seems to have a protective effect and combined with the intake of cheese may explain the anomaly of the French statistics in western Europe. There are differences in the statistics for men and women in some areas of the study, particularly the difference between those who smoke, but the shift from refined to whole grain cereal is likened to moving from unfiltered to filter-tipped cigarettes and should not be recommended as a healthy lifestyle.

 

[Freema]

Being a bear of average brain the study goes into depth about the problems with using Europe-wide statistics and the variables that affect the results (self-selection, reporting over the long term, differences in the health spend of different countries etc.) There is also an emphasis on the results showing a national trend and not necessarily being applicable to every individual. The importance of the study for me is in the final sentence - Therefore, in the light of the growing evidence pointing to the negative role of carbohydrates, and considering the lack of any association between saturated fat and CVDs, we are convinced that the current recommendations regarding diet and CVDs should be seriously reconsidered. In other words cereals, even whole grain, potatoes, excess spirit alcohol etc seem to be linked to heart disease and saturated fats from dairy, particularly cheese, are not. Moderate intake of red wine also seems to have a protective effect and combined with the intake of cheese may explain the anomaly of the French statistics in western Europe. There are differences in the statistics for men and women in some areas of the study, particularly the difference between those who smoke, but the shift from refined to whole grain cereal is likened to moving from unfiltered to filter-tipped cigarettes and should not be recommended as a healthy lifestyle.

thank you so much... potatoes and cereals (with their huge glucoose spikes ) seems to be the scary monster then and alchohol ?

 

[DavidGrahamJones]

It's not all good news, they quote the French paradox in their conclusion. French men have the lowest rates of CVD mortality in Europe, but the highest rates of cancer incidence.

 

[Freema]

Okay and how come ? from smoking or don´t they speculate in that...

 

[Phoenix55]

That is part of the French paradox. The authors speculate that there is something in red wine and cheese that protects against CVD. It seems that nations that tend to drink spirits do not get the same protection, refined alcohol like refined carbs loses
something in the process. What is also interesting is that grain based alcohols, beer, lager and whiskey do not seem to have the same protective properties as wine.

 

[LittleGreyCat]

Ummm....isn't a French breakfast a cup of strong black coffee, a glass of brandy (not grain based), and a Gauloises? Widely held to explain why the French are irritable in the morning?

On the spirits issue there is a load of baloney surrounding distilling. Properly distilled spirit is flavourless (including single malt whisky - been there, done the tour) because distillation removes all the impurities especially the dangerous ones such as methyl alcohol.

Flavour is added in afterwards, including from the barrels used for maturation, and (at least for single malts) in the spring water used to reduce the alcohol content to something which doesn't completely strip the skin off your tongue.

Presumably the red part in the red wine is the key factor. Red and white wines can be made from red grapes but only the red wines are left on the pulp to extract the pigments from the skins.

I would be interested in a comparative study between red wine and red grape juice, to determine if the fermentation has a key part in the protective properties.

 

[Freema]

That is part of the French paradox. The authors speculate that there is something in red wine and cheese that protects against CVD. It seems that nations that tend to drink spirits do not get the same protection, refined alcohol like refined carbs loses
something in the process. What is also interesting is that grain based alcohols, beer, lager and whiskey do not seem to have the same protective properties as wine.

I Think your suggestions sounds very possible. And by the way in Easter Europe Many People drink till They are almost unconsious which might explain why People die from the spirits . I France They don't like People being insanely drunk