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howmuch

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Hi I'm Owen I'm 39 years old i live in the UK near Derby I was diagnosed with Type 2 in November 2014 but as a typical man I didn't really do anything about it i was then put on medication i started to take it then stoped as i had other personal problems come up each time i get my hba1c checked its been going up Feb this year it was 8.5% then June was 8.7% and been told that if i carry on as i am i will become very ill. I was diagnosed with depression end of last year and they think this may not be helping me was given medication and was starting to want to sort my diabetes out then at the beginning of May 2017 my wife left me and took the kids with her and not seen much of them since I'm now at rock bottom i have felt like committing suicide i even sat on my bed with all my medication and was going to take the lot but i dont no what stopped me but something did. I went and saw my doctor about these thoughts and I'm now seeing him. Twice a week and he gave me some diazepam to try and help which it dose seem to whe i have those thoughts. I now want to try and get my diabetes under control but not sure where I'm going to start as I'm still feeling really down.
Any help and advice would be much appreciated.

Owen
 

leslie10152

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Hi I'm Owen I'm 39 years old i live in the UK near Derby I was diagnosed with Type 2 in November 2014 but as a typical man I didn't really do anything about it i was then put on medication i started to take it then stoped as i had other personal problems come up each time i get my hba1c checked its been going up Feb this year it was 8.5% then June was 8.7% and been told that if i carry on as i am i will become very ill. I was diagnosed with depression end of last year and they think this may not be helping me was given medication and was starting to want to sort my diabetes out then at the beginning of May 2017 my wife left me and took the kids with her and not seen much of them since I'm now at rock bottom i have felt like committing suicide i even sat on my bed with all my medication and was going to take the lot but i dont no what stopped me but something did. I went and saw my doctor about these thoughts and I'm now seeing him. Twice a week and he gave me some diazepam to try and help which it dose seem to whe i have those thoughts. I now want to try and get my diabetes under control but not sure where I'm going to start as I'm still feeling really down.
Any help and advice would be much appreciated.

Owen
Don't take your own life, it is not just you that is directly effected. Having diabetes is not the end of the world, it is a new beginning, but a more difficult path to follow. All diabetics will experience depression at some time in our lives, it is part and parcel of living with a chronic life long illness.

I gather that you are on oral medications, that akes it easier for you. I was put on insulin from the day of my diagnosis. 12 years later, one change of insulin and 5 reviews, I am now on bolus and basal injections 4-5 times a day. I feel for you, your frustration and anger. All of us on the forum know and understand this. Do not stop taking the medications, it is paramount that you keep your diabetes under control. You don't have to this alone. As a side note - be careful of diazepam as it can be habit forming. I wish you well on your journey.
 

howmuch

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Don't take your own life, it is not just you that is directly effected. Having diabetes is not the end of the world, it is a new beginning, but a more difficult path to follow. All diabetics will experience depression at some time in our lives, it is part and parcel of living with a chronic life long illness.

I gather that you are on oral medications, that akes it easier for you. I was put on insulin from the day of my diagnosis. 12 years later, one change of insulin and 5 reviews, I am now on bolus and basal injections 4-5 times a day. I feel for you, your frustration and anger. All of us on the forum know and understand this. Do not stop taking the medications, it is paramount that you keep your diabetes under control. You don't have to this alone. As a side note - be careful of diazepam as it can be habit forming. I wish you well on your journey.

It wasn't to do with the diabetes that i wanted to take my own life it was when my wife left with the kids. And my depression i think has been there for years as had a lot of money problems and other things too. I have to say ive been taking most of my medication except the metaformin. I want to get my diabetes under control now so i can start feeling better in myself and get my hba1c down I'm finding it hard now my wife's left as i have no one else around me to help. And i no diazepam can be habit forming the dr gave me 14 tablets and there the lowest dose and i only take them when i really feel like taking my owe life.
 

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It wasn't to do with the diabetes that i wanted to take my own life it was when my wife left with the kids. And my depression i think has been there for years as had a lot of money problems and other things too. I have to say ive been taking most of my medication except the metaformin. I want to get my diabetes under control now so i can start feeling better in myself and get my hba1c down I'm finding it hard now my wife's left as i have no one else around me to help. And i no diazepam can be habit forming the dr gave me 14 tablets and there the lowest dose and i only take them when i really feel like taking my owe life.

Hi. I know it must seem like life is one big mountain to keep climbing..but try as hard as you can to see it as a hill at a time. If I was in your shoes (...and I know I'm not and don't want to sound patronising), I would focus on getting my diabetes under control through a low carb diet...self-testing with a meter before and a couple of hours after food to see what the impact of certain things is, and to see your progress. Don't be worried if you get a bit obsessive for a while...obsession can help you move from things outside your control to things you can control). I am sure that when you see that you are getting your blood sugars down through your own efforts, it will help you feel more positive in general about coping with what life throws at you. Have you got access to the kids? If so, look forward to it. I not...can you do more to secure it? Good luck.
 

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Hi @howmuch and Welcome to the Forum. :)
Start with taking the Metformin you were prescribed as it takes sometime to get into your system and always take it with food and not on an empty stomach.
You will find we are all helpful, supportive and friendly on here and there will always be someone to answer your questions or offer sound advice.
Have a read around some of the other Threads and ask as many questions as you need. :)
 

Jaylee

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Hi @howmuch ,

A warm welcome to the forum.
You've already met some of the guys. You will get support here.
The positive rewards of diabetes control & managment are endless..!

Tagging in @AM1874
 
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If you have been letting your blood glucose levels get high then it can affect your mind - now that I have normal levels I can no longer write fantasy stories which is a bit sad, but all part of the process.
Your Hba1c of 8.7 equates to 71 in the units my doctor uses, which is not dire, but if it is long standing, as it indicates an average blood glucose level of about 11 mmol/l - that isn't good.
By not eating high carb foods you can drop your blood glucose levels, lower your Hba1c and probably feel a lot better physically and perhaps mentally too.
 
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Hi @howmuch .. and welcome
Can't comment on your personal circumstances, but it's excellent news that you are working with your Doc and that you have made a positive decision about your diabetes ..

On that basis, you have made a good move coming here. I was diagnosed T2 in early Feb .. pretty shocked with no information and no idea what was happening to me. Since joining this forum, though, the folks here have given me so much info, advice and support that I am now much more confident about the journey ahead. So ask your questions and be assured that you will receive the answers that you need .. It's still early for me but, in my experience, it gets easier .. very quickly ..

Managing and controlling your diabetes through exercise, diet and testing your Blood Glucose seems to be the best way forward for many people. For me, committing to an LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) lifestyle and testing 3-5 times a day seems to be working and you'll find that there is a wealth of info, relevant advice and positive support about LCHF on the forum ..

I see that @Squire Fulwood has already tagged @ daisy1 for you and I would suggest that you read up on the Low Carb Program in the information that she will soon be sending you. You might also find the discussion on the Low Carb Diet forum helpful .. and the following Diet Doctor websites ...
Low Carb Intro and Information
Low Carbs in 60 Seconds

I would also strongly recommend that you get yourself a meter for testing .. I suggest that you try the website at:
https://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/
for the SD Codefree meter, which costs £12.98 (you don't pay VAT) or:
http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
who distribute the TEE 2 meter, which is free.
I have both for comparative purposes and I have never found any significant difference between them. Unless you are prescribed test strips by your doctor (unlikely), the costs of testing comes down to the ongoing charges for test strips and lancets. I'm testing 3-4 times a day which works out at around £10 to £12 per month for either of the two packages above but, more importantly, I now know what my BG levels are .. and I can now manage them
Hope this helps
 

daisy1

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@howmuch

Hello Owen and welcome to the Forum :) To help you with your diabetes care, here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
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Freema

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Hi I'm Owen I'm 39 years old i live in the UK near Derby I was diagnosed with Type 2 in November 2014 but as a typical man I didn't really do anything about it i was then put on medication i started to take it then stoped as i had other personal problems come up each time i get my hba1c checked its been going up Feb this year it was 8.5% then June was 8.7% and been told that if i carry on as i am i will become very ill. I was diagnosed with depression end of last year and they think this may not be helping me was given medication and was starting to want to sort my diabetes out then at the beginning of May 2017 my wife left me and took the kids with her and not seen much of them since I'm now at rock bottom i have felt like committing suicide i even sat on my bed with all my medication and was going to take the lot but i dont no what stopped me but something did. I went and saw my doctor about these thoughts and I'm now seeing him. Twice a week and he gave me some diazepam to try and help which it dose seem to whe i have those thoughts. I now want to try and get my diabetes under control but not sure where I'm going to start as I'm still feeling really down.
Any help and advice would be much appreciated.

Owen
hey dear howmuch stay here in this forum where you can get som advice and support from all of us, I tell you you can gain control, and it actually don´t have to take very long time to get that. and if you learn to follow the low carb eating style you can become healthy and also fit and maybe also get rid of your depression, it is also important to move a bit every day as it helps your blood glucose lower ad also help insuline resistance which is very high in type 2 diabetics usually ... we are really many here that have gained control and also a lot that are in remision...

so try to be confident and also open your heart, sad you have to suffer from not being with your children my heart goes to you in this as well, but maybe if you now focus on diabetes and getting fit along the way you´ll feel much better and get the strength to demand to see your children as well... I´ll wish you an also joyfull journey here together with the very friendly people in this forum ..
 
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howmuch

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Thank you all for your kind words. I would like to monitor my BG but my doctors say i don't need to test my BG ive argued with my GP and the diabetic nurse but they wont prescribed a meter and test strips and i cant afford to buy any as I'm on benefits if anyone can recommend where i can get cheep ones from would be good.
 

Bluetit1802

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Thank you all for your kind words. I would like to monitor my BG but my doctors say i don't need to test my BG ive argued with my GP and the diabetic nurse but they wont prescribed a meter and test strips and i cant afford to buy any as I'm on benefits if anyone can recommend where i can get cheep ones from would be good.

The Tee2 and the Codefree have the cheapest strips and are popular on here. The Tee2 meter is free. The Codefree strips come with a generous discount code if you buy in bulk.

Try here for the Codefree meter
http://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/blood-glucose-monitor/

and here for the extra strips
http://homehealth-uk.com/all-products/sd-codefree-test-strips-to-be-used-only-with-the-sd-monitor/

Pharmacies don't sell them. There are discount codes if you buy in bulk and don’t forget to check the box that you have diabetes so you can buy VAT free. The discount codes are applied at the checkout stage.
5 packs 264086
10 packs 975833

The Tee2 is here
http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
 
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I'd recommend the TEE2 as it's free so you can at least try it for no cost. Could you start a new habit every couple of days? Eggs for breakfast each day for instance. Testing before and 2 hours after. Don't worry about the results straight away just start doing it. Once you have one good habit pick another. You may find it easier to stick to the same foods each day to start you off. Salad and something for lunch, veg and something for dinner nuts for a snack. Little preparation and no thought required. Exercise helps with diabetes and depression. Can you go for a walk each day, build up to a 5k run. There are online programs for this. Is there a local gym class you can take, something active that you'd like to learn, a martial art? Ask questions on here, your not alone with diabetes. Pick a short term goal - I will try to eat a healthy breakfast everyday for the next 2 weeks, I will go for a walk every day for the next week, that sort of thing. Just one new thing a week will have a huge impact over time.
 
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