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Cholesterol has shot up since starting LCHF

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Hi this is my first message as I'm a newbie to the site. I am now 3 weeks into less than 30g carb/ day on LCHF diet. The diet has been going well and my blood glucose levels have been best ever. I use freestyle libre constant monitoring and its a pretty straight line about 5mmol. I have had no spikes and have been able to not take any daytime insulin (novarapid) my night time insulin has also reduced down from 20 units to 16 units per day.
Even exercising doesn't cause the night time lows. So everything was going great
Then I had a cholesterol test a few of days ago and am really concerned by the results. My total cholesterol has gone from (last test was July) 3.9 to 7.3 my Hdl has gone down from 2.0 to 1.2, trig raised from 1.0 to 3.5 and LDL raised from 1.4 to 4.5 - so this would only have been affected by low carb, high fat diet for 2 weeks. My diabetic specialist has told me to stop eating Lchf as my good cholesterol has gone down and bad cholesterol gone up since starting this 3 weeks ago. I am now panicking as I only have been having the recommended healthy fats.
Could this be because my body is losing weight (5kg in 3 weeks). Has anyone else experienced this (possibly excess fat dumped into blood by liver).
I am only slightly overweight. 5'11 and 85kg

I'm hoping that this is just a transient stage. Someone emailed me this:- When you lose weight, you are mobilizing energy stored as fat. That fat is mobilized as fatty acids and triglycerides into the bloodstream. 10 pounds lost, for instance, means the equivalent of 35,000 calories of fat released into the bloodstream.
These fatty acids are not alone. They interact with the other elements in the bloodstream. In particular, this flood of fatty acids:
—Block insulin–and thereby increase blood sugar. A non-diabetic can even become transiently diabetic during weight loss.
—Increase triglycerides–A starting triglyceride level of, say, 120 mg/dl, can increase to 180 mg/dl during active weight loss. (Triglycerides contain fatty acids.)
—Decreased HDL–Excess fatty acids and triglycerides modify HDL particles, causing their degradation and elimination. A starting HDL of 45 mg/dl can drop to 28 mg/dl, for example.
—LDL measures go haywire–The conventional calculated LDL cholesterol, or even generally superior measures like apoprotein B or NMR LDL particle number, can go in any direction rather unpredictably: They can go up, down, or sideways. Likewise, the (miserably useless) total cholesterol value can go up, down, or sideways.
—Increased blood pressure–This is likely due to the enhanced artery constriction that occurs due to increased endothelial dysfunction, i.e., dysfunction of the normal relaxation mechanisms of arteries.
The key is to recognize these phenomena as nothing more than part of weight loss and the inevitable mobilization of fatty acids into the bloodstream. Accordingly, decisions should not be made based on these values, since they are transient. Your doctor will likely try to push hypertension medication, statin drugs, fibrate drugs, diabetes drugs . . . all for a transient effect. Is there a way to not experience these changes? Sure: liposuction. To my knowledge, there is no way short of extracting fat with a trocar to avoid these changes.
As a practical matter, avoid having blood drawn until weight has plateaued for at least 4 weeks and these changes are allowed to reverse. Only then will you know what you have achieved in your wheat-free adventure.



Other peoples experiences would be greatly appreciated
 
Hi! It happens that cholesterol goes up initially.
What healthy fats is it you eat?
Have you had your thyroid checked? Low thyroid hormones can wreak havoc with cholesterol.
 
I have been doing LCHF for 4 months now, and I stopped statins at the same time. My total cholesterol rose by 0.1 to 7.1 My GP will not do the test for seperate cholesterol breakdown since it costs more now the lab has been privatised. I am still off the statins, and am hoping the cholesterol comes down as I get my bgl under control with diet.

As it happens, my weight was static during the 3 months, whereas it had been falling for the last year or so, i have lost 6 stone in 2 years and am now at the correct weight, so static weight is fine by me,

We need other posters here who can testify to lowering their cholesterol while doing LCHF. Otherwise it may put a big Q shaped spoke in the wheels. This is my remaining concern on LCHF, and I have seen claims made, but nothing backing it up. Theory is that it should work that way, but I need it to experience it in practice.
 
I have been doing LCHF for 4 months now, and I stopped statins at the same time. My total cholesterol rose by 0.1 to 7.1 My GP will not do the test for seperate cholesterol breakdown since it costs more now the lab has been privatised. I am still off the statins, and am hoping the cholesterol comes down as I get my bgl under control with diet.

As it happens, my weight was static during the 3 months, whereas it had been falling for the last year or so, i have lost 6 stone in 2 years and am now at the correct weight, so static weight is fine by me,

We need other posters here who can testify to lowering their cholesterol while doing LCHF. Otherwise it may put a big Q shaped spoke in the wheels. This is my remaining concern on LCHF, and I have seen claims made, but nothing backing it up. Theory is that it should work that way, but I need it to experience it in practice.
You really do need the breakdown. Total cholesterol tells you nothing of any use. It could be that your good cholesterol level has got higher and therefore your overall bad:good ratio is lower.
 
You really do need the breakdown. Total cholesterol tells you nothing of any use. It could be that your good cholesterol level has got higher and therefore your overall bad:good ratio is lower.
In the first post: "my Hdl has gone down from 2.0 to 1.2, trig raised from 1.0 to 3.5 and LDL raised from 1.4 to 4.5".
 
Was it a fasting cholesterol test?
If not, the triglyceride measurement is meaningless.

I agree with the email you received.

Iif you have recently switched to ketosis, and you are losing weight, then all that fat will be released into the bloodstream - and shows in your cholesterol. Your cholesterol won't settle until you have been at a stready weight for several months.

But i would also like to know what you are calling 'healthy fats' because there is a heck of a lot of debate on this subject. :)

Not sure of your age or sex from your avatar, but depending on age and sex, cholesterol as low as total cholesterol of 3.9 is not necessarily a good thing!

Have a look at this you tube video on what happens to cholesterol on LCHF, and in the meantime please remember that 3 weeks of any new eating regime is far too short a time for your body to adjust and to know whether it is going to work for you, in the long run.

 
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Hi this is my first message as I'm a newbie to the site. I am now 3 weeks into less than 30g carb/ day on LCHF diet. The diet has been going well and my blood glucose levels have been best ever. I use freestyle libre constant monitoring and its a pretty straight line about 5mmol. I have had no spikes and have been able to not take any daytime insulin (novarapid) my night time insulin has also reduced down from 20 units to 16 units per day.
Even exercising doesn't cause the night time lows. So everything was going great
Then I had a cholesterol test a few of days ago and am really concerned by the results. My total cholesterol has gone from (last test was July) 3.9 to 7.3 my Hdl has gone down from 2.0 to 1.2, trig raised from 1.0 to 3.5 and LDL raised from 1.4 to 4.5 - so this would only have been affected by low carb, high fat diet for 2 weeks. My diabetic specialist has told me to stop eating Lchf as my good cholesterol has gone down and bad cholesterol gone up since starting this 3 weeks ago. I am now panicking as I only have been having the recommended healthy fats.
Could this be because my body is losing weight (5kg in 3 weeks). Has anyone else experienced this (possibly excess fat dumped into blood by liver).
I am only slightly overweight. 5'11 and 85kg

I'm hoping that this is just a transient stage. Someone emailed me this:- When you lose weight, you are mobilizing energy stored as fat. That fat is mobilized as fatty acids and triglycerides into the bloodstream. 10 pounds lost, for instance, means the equivalent of 35,000 calories of fat released into the bloodstream.
These fatty acids are not alone. They interact with the other elements in the bloodstream. In particular, this flood of fatty acids:
—Block insulin–and thereby increase blood sugar. A non-diabetic can even become transiently diabetic during weight loss.
—Increase triglycerides–A starting triglyceride level of, say, 120 mg/dl, can increase to 180 mg/dl during active weight loss. (Triglycerides contain fatty acids.)
—Decreased HDL–Excess fatty acids and triglycerides modify HDL particles, causing their degradation and elimination. A starting HDL of 45 mg/dl can drop to 28 mg/dl, for example.
—LDL measures go haywire–The conventional calculated LDL cholesterol, or even generally superior measures like apoprotein B or NMR LDL particle number, can go in any direction rather unpredictably: They can go up, down, or sideways. Likewise, the (miserably useless) total cholesterol value can go up, down, or sideways.
—Increased blood pressure–This is likely due to the enhanced artery constriction that occurs due to increased endothelial dysfunction, i.e., dysfunction of the normal relaxation mechanisms of arteries.
The key is to recognize these phenomena as nothing more than part of weight loss and the inevitable mobilization of fatty acids into the bloodstream. Accordingly, decisions should not be made based on these values, since they are transient. Your doctor will likely try to push hypertension medication, statin drugs, fibrate drugs, diabetes drugs . . . all for a transient effect. Is there a way to not experience these changes? Sure: liposuction. To my knowledge, there is no way short of extracting fat with a trocar to avoid these changes.
As a practical matter, avoid having blood drawn until weight has plateaued for at least 4 weeks and these changes are allowed to reverse. Only then will you know what you have achieved in your wheat-free adventure.



Other peoples experiences would be greatly appreciated

hello there - My total cholesterol has always been an inconveniently high number, but the breakdowns are excellent.

How your triglycerides have gone is bizarre, in that they usually drop a lot, because trigs carbs are heavily implicated in the trip score. I would ask for a repeat test in a couple of months, and ensure it's a fasting test, or the trigs (if I recall) in particular tend to become a bit skewed.

Good luck with it all.
 
You really do need the breakdown. Total cholesterol tells you nothing of any use. It could be that your good cholesterol level has got higher and therefore your overall bad:good ratio is lower.
Hi zand,I am fully aware of this,and discussed it with my gp at my annual review last week, but unfortunately since the local hospital privatised the lab services, the practice has a policy of not doing the test. The GP uses total cholesterol as the trigger to start statin therapy regardless of what the ratio is. The other problem is that the HDL test has to be a fasting test, and most diabetic bloods appointments are after lunchtime.
 
Hi @Brunneria That video clip you shared is marvellous, and I enjoyed it con gusto. It gives me ammunition to fire at my GP next time I go for blood tests. I was not aware that it is the trigs that are so important, as I was brung up on the classic HDL vs LDL wars, I will write to my GP and give him the link,

I posted earlier about our practice not providing HDL testing, but maybe I can bring about a seed change here. My GP is supportive, and is open to discussing recent research findings. I have in the past tried several new drugs when they had only just received NiCE approval. I did surprise him this time by mentioning that NICE has recently changed the prescribing guidelines for Clopidogrel, which I am on after my strokes. As it turns out it is only for new patients.

Thanks for sharing.
 
Glad to help!
Check out all Sikaris' other you tube videos.
Every one a gem.

And he is such an accessible speaker. :D
 
Thanks for all your comments. I watched the blood test video in Brunneria's post, very interesting.
Brunneria in response to your question
if you have recently switched to ketosis, and you are losing weight, then all that fat will be released into the bloodstream - and shows in your cholesterol. Your cholesterol won't settle until you have been at a stready weight for several months.

I am in ketosis most of the time. My ketone levels have been constantly between 1.5 - 3 for last 2 weeks. some readings if I skip a meal (interment fasting) or after exercise have gone up to 4-4.5.- My blood glucose readings have remained low averaging 5-5.5mmol - Is this ok for type 1 diabetic

But i would also like to know what you are calling 'healthy fats' because there is a heck of a lot of debate on this subject. :)

cooking using coconut oil, lots of olive oil dressed over salad etc. eggs, red mead, full fat cream, cottage cheese full fat. pecan nuts. Mainly following recipes in low carb high fat cookbook

Not sure of your age or sex from your avatar, but depending on age and sex, cholesterol as low as total cholesterol of 3.9 is not necessarily a good thing!

Male, 44 years old. I guess what's worrying me is even if the high cholesterol levels are only in the transient stage whilst losing weight and adapting to lchf way of life can this do damage in the short term. Its the fact that me Trig level has tripled since last reading. However it wasn't a fasting test. I wasn't sure that this needed to be done.

I will get retested in 4 weeks time and repost results
 
Mine went up when I started lchf too. Basically, I was eating way too much fat. What needs to be considered though, is that high sugar levels are much worse for your cardiovascular disease risk than high ldl levels.
 
Similar to you @SamJB - went crazy on the cream lol and then crazy on the protein. Much better balance now and hoping for much better readings next time round :)
 
Similar to you @SamJB - went crazy on the cream lol and then crazy on the protein. Much better balance now and hoping for much better readings next time round :)
Yeah that's exactly what I was doing! Too much cream, butter, nuts etc. I'm on about 1800 cals per day and my lipids are normal again.
 
Yeah that's exactly what I was doing! Too much cream, butter, nuts etc. I'm on about 1800 cals per day and my lipids are normal again.

Hi Sam

It's hard to tell how much fats to have. What would you typically eat for a breakfast, lunch and dinner if you don't mid me asking?
 
Hi Sam

It's hard to tell how much fats to have. What would you typically eat for a breakfast, lunch and dinner if you don't mid me asking?
I agree, it is. There's a thread on here called "what did you eat today?", it's full of lots of great ideas.

I typically have flaxseed muffins, flaxseed porridge, or plain yogurt with berries for breakfast. Lunch is always a salad. For dinner, I have what I had before I low carved except I replace pasta with spiralised veg, mashed potatoes with cauli mash and rice with cauli rice.
 
hI, @Brunneria I continued to have reservations about my cholesterol levels wrt LCHF, so I did some more research beyond the youtube videos you linked me to. I have seen several articles in PubMed that now esablish sdLDL as the main marker for CHD, but none of them gave any clue as to cause or remedy. ie no link to dietary effects.

Then I found this, which seems to independently backup the Ken Sikaris claims

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/diet-heart-hypothesis-subdividing.html

The source is not one i recognise, but apparently Dr Kraus has published articles in PubMed.

The reason for my concern (personally) is that I am a couch potato. I can get my head around how lowering carb input will lower bgl, and eventually lead to a ketogenic metabolism. LC is not my problem HF is. If ketogenic diet means increased VLDL swishing round my tubing, surely i need to burn it off, else it becomes more stored fat i.e. trigs increase, leading to sdLDL generation. Surely, LCHF mandates increased exercise to make sure we burn fat? And what level of bgl does the diet become ketogenic? Does anyone have articles they have researched that may explain. I have watched many LCHF videos and training courses, but they seem to skirt round this simple question

Is LCHF suitable for couch potatoes and people of limited mobility?
 
First reaction, @Oldvatr :)

HF doesnt have to mean masses of cream and lard.
I believe @donnellysdogs had raised TC when she switched to HF, without weight loss, but when she switched from cream and cheese to Mediterranean avocado and olive oil, her cholesterol reshuffled to the best she had ever seen (sorry DD, if i have any of the details wrong).

Second thought:
Lchf is absolutely and utterly dependent on the low carb.
This is often not visible in studies, because the general view of LC is too high to actually show the benefits. In my case, my carb threshold for comfort, weight control, blood glucose, energy levels, is about 40g carb a day. Or less. If i go higher than that, everything screws up, and i suspect that long term, my cholesterol would too, but i'm not going to test this. :)
Other people have higher carb thresholds, but if they don't find out where that threshold is, before they plunge into a HF lifestyle, they are taking a bit of a risk, because HC and HF is not a good combo, and for me, HC starts at about 50g a day. Sad but true. :(

Third thought:
The HF label is the worst possible descriptor i have ever come across. It just seems to press every button we have. But the truth is that we don't have to do HF. We can do a-bit-more-fat-so-i-don't-go-hungry, or moderate fat, or swim in lard, but we get to choose. :)

Sorry, i haven't had time to read your link, so all the above is totally off the cuff. Am on my lunch break atm, but will read the link later. :)
 
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