Official NHS no longer exists.

[JTL]

World Health Organisation definition the UK no longer has a NHS


The NHS has actually been abolished.

Now you may think that this is untrue. After all, you still go and see your GP or may be admitted to hospital and receive care free at the point of delivery. However, the Health & Social Care Act 2012 has abolished the NHS in legislative terms. It has achieved this through several mechanisms.

It has axed the government's responsibility for the NHS. It has devolved responsibility to Clinical Commissioning Groups (CCGs). The CCGs have no legal obligation to provide you with anything beyond emergency care - this may not be the case at present but it means that there is no legal guarantee that they will continue to do so.

It has opened up the NHS to unlimited privatisation. The government continues to deny that privatisation is taking place - of course they do. A simple rebuffal comes from the World Health Organisation definition of healthcare privatisation, which describes it as>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ion-the-uk-no-longer-has-a-nhs-a6923126.html#

 

[urbanracer]

It is my belief that the NHS simply cannot continue in its present (or past) form. With tax revenues falling, and the number of NHS users rising, the numbers simply don't add up. Even if an attempt to eradicate waste was successful, sooner or later the NHS will reach breaking point.

Not surprised by the article but I am surprised that they are writing about a 4year old piece of legislation.

 

[Dark Horse]

It is my belief that the NHS simply cannot continue in its present (or past) form. With tax revenues falling, and the number of NHS users rising, the numbers simply don't add up. Even if an attempt to eradicate waste was successful, sooner or later the NHS will reach breaking point.

Not surprised by the article but I am surprised that they are writing about a 4year old piece of legislation.

The article was published the day before the 2nd reading of the NHS Reinstatement bill in parliament http://www.nhsbill2015.org. 38 degrees say it was filibustered but are calling for people to sign their petition and ask their MP to back the bill.https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/support-the-nhs-reinstatement-bill-to-bring-back-our-nhs

 

[dbr10]

World Health Organisation definition the UK no longer has a NHS


The NHS has actually been abolished.

Now you may think that this is untrue. After all, you still go and see your GP or may be admitted to hospital and receive care free at the point of delivery. However, the Health & Social Care Act 2012 has abolished the NHS in legislative terms. It has achieved this through several mechanisms.

It has axed the government's responsibility for the NHS. It has devolved responsibility to Clinical Commissioning Groups (CCGs). The CCGs have no legal obligation to provide you with anything beyond emergency care - this may not be the case at present but it means that there is no legal guarantee that they will continue to do so.

It has opened up the NHS to unlimited privatisation. The government continues to deny that privatisation is taking place - of course they do. A simple rebuffal comes from the World Health Organisation definition of healthcare privatisation, which describes it as>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ion-the-uk-no-longer-has-a-nhs-a6923126.html#

This has been the plan all along. It removes accountability. No one is democratically accountable.

 

[dbr10]

It is my belief that the NHS simply cannot continue in its present (or past) form. With tax revenues falling, and the number of NHS users rising, the numbers simply don't add up. Even if an attempt to eradicate waste was successful, sooner or later the NHS will reach breaking point.

Not surprised by the article but I am surprised that they are writing about a 4year old piece of legislation.

But we spend less as a proportion of GDP than other European countries.

 

[dbr10]

Not surprised by the article but I am surprised that they are writing about a 4year old piece of legislation.

Yes, that is a little strange.

 

[dbr10]

The article was published the day before the 2nd reading of the NHS Reinstatement bill in parliament http://www.nhsbill2015.org. 38 degrees say it was filibustered but are calling for people to sign their petition and ask their MP to back the bill.https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/support-the-nhs-reinstatement-bill-to-bring-back-our-nhs

Yes. I have asked the Right Hon. Gutless wonder to attend but he was too busy skiving off in his Constituency - he decided it would be better to leave early for the weekend.

 

[urbanracer]

But we spend less as a proportion of GDP than other European countries.

As a percentage of GDP that may be true but I also think this figure is misleading when considered on it's own. The GDP of the European countries varies enormously between the tourist based economies of southern Europe and the Industrialised northern parts.

Is it not more appropriate to look at government healthcare spend per capita? Using this figure, only Denmark and Norway spend more than the UK.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...jQxRekWHC3olDDh1KHh1s/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=0

 

[dbr10]

Is it not more appropriate to look at government healthcare spend per capita? Using this figure, only Denmark and Norway spend more than the UK.

I would say, if you are trying to make an argument, you choose whichever suits your case best In the UK GDP eventually caught up with where it was in Q12008, but the working population had actually risen. So it took 5 per cent more people to produce the same output. Productivity actually fell. <tongue in cheek>

 

[Dark Horse]

As a percentage of GDP that may be true but I also think this figure is misleading when considered on it's own. The GDP of the European countries varies enormously between the tourist based economies of southern Europe and the Industrialised northern parts.

Is it not more appropriate to look at government healthcare spend per capita? Using this figure, only Denmark and Norway spend more than the UK.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...jQxRekWHC3olDDh1KHh1s/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=0

Unless I'm reading it wrong from the table you supplied, the governments of Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands,Niue, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and USA spend more per capita on health than UK.

A better comparison might be TOTAL spend per capita (in countries where governments spend less, the individual may have to pay a much bigger share of the health bill - this is illustrated in the bar chart at the top of page 155 http://www.oecd.org/els/health-systems/Health-at-a-Glance-2013.pdf). The list of countries that spend more than the UK is similar but would include Ireland.

It's interesting to see how much more the USA spends per capita for no better health outcomes (and a lot more inequality).

 

[urbanracer]

Unless I'm reading it wrong from the table you supplied, the governments of Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands,Niue, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and USA spend more per capita on health than UK.

A better comparison might be TOTAL spend per capita (in countries where governments spend less, the individual may have to pay a much bigger share of the health bill - this is illustrated in the bar chart at the top of page 155 http://www.oecd.org/els/health-systems/Health-at-a-Glance-2013.pdf). The list of countries that spend more than the UK is similar but would include Ireland.

It's interesting to see how much more the USA spends per capita for no better health outcomes (and a lot more inequality).

The original discussion was about EU countries but yes, sorry, I realise that I compared the total UK spend per capita with the government spend per capita of the others. The graphic makes it easier to see - thanks.

EDITED:-
Also interesting in your document:- that the growth rate in per capita spending is negative for the UK.

 

[dbr10]

Unless I'm reading it wrong from the table you supplied, the governments of Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands,Niue, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and USA spend more per capita on health than UK.

Ah. Missed that. Didn't follow the link.

 

[dbr10]

EDITED:-
Also interesting in your document:- that the growth rate in per capita spending is negative for the UK.

Is that anything to do with our old friends cash terms and real terms I wonder. You can spend more cash on the NHS but deliberately not keep up with the growth in population - so spending per person falls.

 

[Jamrox]

World Health Organisation definition the UK no longer has a NHS


The NHS has actually been abolished.

Now you may think that this is untrue. After all, you still go and see your GP or may be admitted to hospital and receive care free at the point of delivery. However, the Health & Social Care Act 2012 has abolished the NHS in legislative terms. It has achieved this through several mechanisms.

It has axed the government's responsibility for the NHS. It has devolved responsibility to Clinical Commissioning Groups (CCGs). The CCGs have no legal obligation to provide you with anything beyond emergency care - this may not be the case at present but it means that there is no legal guarantee that they will continue to do so.

It has opened up the NHS to unlimited privatisation. The government continues to deny that privatisation is taking place - of course they do. A simple rebuffal comes from the World Health Organisation definition of healthcare privatisation, which describes it as>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ion-the-uk-no-longer-has-a-nhs-a6923126.html#

This isn't the same in Scotland , we still have an NHS

 

[dbr10]

This isn't the same in Scotland , we still have an NHS

That was mentioned when the story was covered on TV news. Do you sponsor refugees from England by any chance?

 

[Jamrox]

Well I'm an English Migrant to Ayrshire , married a Scotsman so I'm allowed to stay lol.

 

[JTL]

Branson now owns most health services in Kent. So when he's handed a billion pound of tasx payer money the first thing he thinks of is hoiw much is for him. Earnings bonus divedends etc. Second thing he thinks about are the shares holders who want a nice divi paying out.
A large chunk of the billion quid in question is now going on a new balloon new frocks cocktails summer cruises pension fund and what's left goes to patient care.
Thje tax payer built the nhs not the government.
The tax payer is now paying more to the upkeep of the nations trains beofre they were privatised and who'd paying billions for the high speed line?
We are but the Bransons of this world will make the money out of it.
This is capitalism for us and socialism for them ... which translates as fascism.
We should not be buying these things for these business men.

 

[Oldvatr]

Branson now owns most health services in Kent. So when he's handed a billion pound of tasx payer money the first thing he thinks of is hoiw much is for him. Earnings bonus divedends etc. Second thing he thinks about are the shares holders who want a nice divi paying out.
A large chunk of the billion quid in question is now going on a new balloon new frocks cocktails summer cruises pension fund and what's left goes to patient care.
Thje tax payer built the nhs not the government.
The tax payer is now paying more to the upkeep of the nations trains beofre they were privatised and who'd paying billions for the high speed line?
We are but the Bransons of this world will make the money out of it.
This is capitalism for us and socialism for them ... which translates as fascism.
We should not be buying these things for these business men.

Not sure where you got your information from, but your post seems lacking in evidence.