britishpub
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- Type of diabetes
- Type 2
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- Diet only
So you don't belong in the set of people covered by the scope of my comments. Your body function has not returned to normal you are still exhibiting diabetic responses.I have an altered response to gucose. That is a fact.
1. Irrelevant because we're talking about complete cessation of diabetic responses.re·mis·sion
(rē-mish'ŭn),
1. Abatement or lessening in severity of the symptoms of a disease.
2. The period during which such abatement occurs.
Even if it were true it is possible to carry a gene and exhibit non of the diabetic responses required for you to be labelled a diabetic. Many genes predispose people to conditions but only if certain environmental criteria are met.Is this incorrect?
Clearly here we're talking about people who recover completely normal responses to any of their dietary choices not those who only maintain normal ranges in response to low carb.
This misses the point. No one is saying that if you reverse your diabetes you are therefore immune to reintroducing poor function through poor diet. Clearly if it has happened once it can happen again.But having 50% starchy carbs day in day out
This misses the point. No one is saying that if you reverse your diabetes you are therefore immune to reintroducing poor function through poor diet. Clearly if it has happened once it can happen again.
But if a non diabetic changes their diet from healthy to carb loaded and makes those choices 'day in day out' many will also find themselves exhibiting diabetic responses. And so from this perspective the reversed diabetic and the non diabetic are in exactly the same boat with no physiological differences and the same potential to become diabetic.
But if a non diabetic changes their diet from healthy to carb loaded and makes those choices 'day in day out' many will also find themselves exhibiting diabetic responses. And so from this perspective the reversed diabetic and the non diabetic are in exactly the same boat with no physiological differences and the same potential to become diabetic.
This misses the point. No one is saying that if you reverse your diabetes you are therefore immune to reintroducing poor function through poor diet. Clearly if it has happened once it can happen again.
But if a non diabetic changes their diet from healthy to carb loaded and makes those choices 'day in day out' many will also find themselves exhibiting diabetic responses. And so from this perspective the reversed diabetic and the non diabetic are in exactly the same boat with no physiological differences and the same potential to become diabetic.
I seem to be surrounded by people who eat the same way I did...
My father has eaten carbs all his life...
I get it, we've all got anecdotal evidence that some can eat **** food and not become diabetic and some can eat healthily and yet become diabetic.I know plenty of people who are overweight and...
I get it, we've all got anecdotal evidence that some can eat **** food and not become diabetic and some can eat healthily and yet become diabetic.
This is largely irrelevant to the wider point.
There is a population of people (Set A) who have the potential to become diabetic because of diet - but they don't because they are sensible in their eating habits.
There is a population of people (Set B) who have the potential to become diabetic because of diet - and they do because they are less sensible in their eating habits. (lets not get into a debate about what sense has to do with it)
Set B can be further divided into sub groups, two of which are:
Set B1: those who remain diabetic for life. Perhaps they reduce diabetic response, perhaps not. In any event how do we know they are diabetic - because they exhibit physiological responses that can be directly measured.
Set B2: those who fully recover and exhibit no diabetic responses.
In terms of measurement Set A and Set B2 are indistinguishable from one another. I see no reason to apply different labels.
Small Print (to be read at triple speed without pause): Sets A & B do not represent individuals on the forum any likeness to individuals on the forum is purely coincidental. Sets A & B do not represent a full population of diabetics or non diabetics, they are formed to demonstrate how the boundary conditions for applications of the term Remission in conjunction with the term Diabetic are frequently either ill formed and / or ill applied. Before feeling offended readers are urged to consider that offence is always taken and cannot be given. Have a nice day
We can refer to them as Set C if you like?So what about the vegetarians and vegans ( on a healthy sensible diet I assume) ............... become type 2.
Well that could add a level of detail because the people in Set C are perhaps those most likely, having exercised a sensible diet for a lifetime, to be offended - along with the more deluded members of Set B (Set Bd).I'm definitely not offended.
And many won't they are not diabetic and probably never will be the rest of us more than likely always had a predisposition toward diabetes for what ever reason and the outcome was inevitable with a high carb diet.But if a non diabetic changes their diet from healthy to carb loaded and makes those choices 'day in day out' many will also find themselves exhibiting diabetic responses
Again this is irrelevant to the main point. If someone no longer exhibits diabetic responses they are indistinguishable from non diabetics irrespective of their genetic makeup.And many won't
The aim of the form is to support and make clear not to offend and confuse.Well that could add a level of detail because the people in Set C are perhaps those most likely, having exercised a sensible diet for a lifetime, to be offended - along with the more deluded members of Set B (Set Bd).
So Set C can be subdivided into Set Co - people exhibiting a diabetic response despite maintaining a healthy diet who are offended by their own interpretation (taken not given ) of a comment to be implying that they are diabetic because of eating habits and Set Cno - people exhibiting a diabetic response despite maintaining a healthy diet who do not interpret a comment to be implying they are diabetic because of their own eating habits and are not offended.
Fortunately set membership rules for Bd, C, Co and Cno have little bearing on the membership rules for sets A & B (inclusive of B1 & B2).
Phewww, things nearly got complicated there.