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is white or brown bread best ?

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There are no good carbs.... you have to try it and test your bloods to see how they effect you.. but I try to avoid carbs as much as possible.
 
Good question!

But from a low carb perspective there are better and alternative breads!

alan_thomo said:
How do I know good carbs....from bad ?
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I believe from my experience that carbs are carbs and the higher the GI the higher the amount of carbs and how quickly they turn to glucose. You need slower acting carbs, but Brown bread can be just as bad. All carbs turn to glucose and because you probably have high glucose levels already, you should eat as less as possible.

I use Bergen bread, just 9-11 gms a slice.

I've tagged @daisy1 to give you the newcomers welcome information.
 
alan_thomo said:
How do I know good carbs....from bad ?
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Read the label showing how many carbs are in the bread. You will find that the figure is high no matter what the colour. There is some confusion about bread in that the original advice about brown bread made you more regular. This may/may not be true but neither are good for diabetics. You will hear people say that wholegrain is better but if the label says a high carb content then it isn't.

Bergen bread or Lidl's rolls are better in that the carb content is lower but they still have a carb content.
 
@alan_thomo

Hello Alan and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful, especially concerning carbs. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Squire Fulwood said:
Read the label showing how many carbs are in the bread. You will find that the figure is high no matter what the colour. There is some confusion about bread in that the original advice about brown bread made you more regular. This may/may not be true but neither are good for diabetics. You will hear people say that wholegrain is better but if the label says a high carb content then it isn't.

Bergen bread or Lidl's rolls are better in that the carb content is lower but they still have a carb content.
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This is why I ask the question
 
alan_thomo said:
Why is that ? I'm told I have to have them...........
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It is right you need carbs, but not as many as the doctors would have you believe.
The recommended dietary advice from the NHS is full of unwanted carbs.
All carbs turn to glucose.
Your body has too much glucose already, you are just topping up your glucose every time you have more than a few carbs around 10% of your meal is recommended for T2s.
Have a read of daisy s post then read the low carb forum for ideas and recipes.
Read the success stories on this forum.
That will give you the knowledge on how to tackle the condition and how to lower your blood glucose levels and be in control.

Hope this helps.
 
nosher8355 said:
Good question!

But from a low carb perspective there are better and alternative breads!



I believe from my experience that carbs are carbs and the higher the GI the higher the amount of carbs and how quickly they turn to glucose. You need slower acting carbs, but Brown bread can be just as bad. All carbs turn to glucose and because you probably have high glucose levels already, you should eat as less as possible.

I use Bergen bread, just 9-11 gms a slice.

I've tagged @daisy1 to give you the newcomers welcome information.
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Thanks, very interesting your reply
 
Check out www.dietdoctor.com it will give you a quick,start to understanding the importance of significantly restricting your carbs.


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Before I had diabetes I preferred to eat brown or rye bread mainly because I enjoyed these more than white, but since they don't do my glucose levels any good now, they're relegated to a number of high carbohydrate foods which I no longer choose to eat.

For the sake of accuracy you should have really included included "Neither" as an option for us diabetics, which as you see is the the general opinion being offered.:D

If you must eat something bread-like, there are a number of low carb breads or bread substitutes you could have instead. Just have a nosey through the forum for various suggestions and recipes.

Robbity
 
Can recommend LivLife bread in additional to the other options above. Only 3.8g per slice. Yes it's thin and not huge slices but my go to bread now - I love it. Happily make a cheese sandwich to take out and good to know there are only around 8g of carbs in it.
 
alan_thomo said:
Why is that ? I'm told I have to have them...........
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Because as the others have said they turn to glucose in your body and raise your blood sugars. Which for us Type 2's is not really good news. Who told you that you have to have them?
 
bulkbiker said:
Because as the others have said they turn to glucose in your body and raise your blood sugars. Which for us Type 2's is not really good news. Who told you that you have to have them?
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Probably every medical professional who has been advising. You need fat (macronutrient), you need modest protein (macronutrient)....do you need carbs (Macronutrient)?.,,, many of us find you don't. Your brain can get all the glucose it needs to survive and thrive from the ketones when you live on a LCHF diet. Some of us are on 20g or less of carbs a day, some around 50gs, some 100-150g. It's just a case of testing for yourself what gives you blood sugar control. Hope you find your happy balance soon:)


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