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Angry! Angry! Angry!

There was a diabetes supplement in the Guardian the other day with recipes for cakes, using regular wheat flour, no talk of alternatives, coconut etc, just replace the sugar. *face palm*.
 
Generally I find it stunning how ill informed ( maybe by choice ) most people are. I have become a proper diabetes bore. My father is a nightmare, he has been T2 for years and continues to deny the carb link. He thinks it's all ok as long as you take the meds. He isn't over weight and he can be quite active, walks for miles but his desire for sweet treats and chips overrides any will power and he thinks I am taking it all too seriously and will make myself depressed with my 'obsession' in correcting my blood sugar levels. I see him hurtling towards the grave and it makes me very sad indeed.
 
Robinredbreast said:
I am not type 2, but.............. if these products caused a problem with getting diabetes ( but not in all) then surely continuing to eat them will still cause problems, or is that only on diet and exercise alone, or take the meds and fill yourself up, (but within reason and in moderation) ?:wideyed::rolleyes:
Could be a bit like closing the stable doors after the horse has bolted !!
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I see it more like the "health professionals" telling them (all of us.) what (we) they want to hear..
As opposed to just informing them on what they need to hear.
The "meter discouragement" puts heads in the sand. Like the "duck & cover" public info film in the 1950? As well as saving the NHS budget in the short term..

I've known T1s told they are testing too much.


Great post by the way, @Welshman1952
 
I have heard this from others. I cancelled my course at the local hospital. I an a relative newbie (12 weeks). Following the LCHF diet and continual testing I have gone from 23.5 to an average of 6.1 in 12 weeks. Next HbAc1 at the end of July but I did manage to drop from 145 to 72 in the first 6 weeks. The diet and testing WORKS. We live with this condition and, experience is everything. I shall carry on regardless of professionals opinions and stick with the forum and people who live with this. X

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Jaylee said:
I see it more like the "health professionals" telling them (all of us.) what (we) they want to hear..
As opposed to just informing them on what they need to hear.
The "meter discouragement" puts heads in the sand. Like the "duck & cover" public info film in the 1950? As well as saving the NHS budget in the short term..

I've known T1s told they are testing too much.


Great post by the way, @Welshman1952
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I've known T1s told they are testing too much.
Yes, I have read about that on the forum.
 
Been there @Welshman1952 my local council runs 7 weeks courses. First day I was fuming, so little knowledge among the others and they lapped it up. But over time I felt I was educating them - even the DN admitted that she was wrong to say people shouldn't test their BG. Stick with it and spread the world - I even made a low carb cake to take to my course so the other attendees didn't feel so despondent!
 
I do not know what course you were on but if it was the T2 DESMOND course you have either reported your experience inaccurately or whoever did the course did not conduct in the proper manner. I have been on the course and in no part did it encourage excess or gratuitous intake of carbs. The course is an education on all part of Type 2 diabetes and diet is a part of it. I find your post an inaccurate misrepresentation and a "pro LCHF" post. The facts are not in on LCHF and that is why I do not do it. :)
 
eddie1968 said:
I do not know what course you were on but if it was the T2 DESMOND course you have either reported your experience inaccurately or whoever did the course did not conduct in the proper manner. I have been on the course and in no part did it encourage excess or gratuitous intake of carbs. The course is an education on all part of Type 2 diabetes and diet is a part of it. I find your post an inaccurate misrepresentation and a "pro LCHF" post. The facts are not in on LCHF and that is why I do not do it. :)
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A bit harsh.
 
Oh .. and the other thing they told us on this waste of time course ... the reason why more Asian people are diabetic? Because they are genetically engineered better to cope with fasting and feasting! So, when food is scarce their bodies cope better with famine. Now, as food has become more available in the third world, their bodies struggle to cope .. and so they become diabetic.

By this time I couldn't work out whether I was being taught by an imbecile, or a member of the UK branch of the KKK!!!! Will I comment on this blatant racism? Count on it!
 
@eddie1968 for the record, this was not a T2 Desmond course but one designed by local commissioners to match the "needs" of my local health area. As such it was an accurate representation of events. The fact you do not like what was said is your right but in no way changes the facts of what was said on the course.

You are within your rights to not do an LCHF diet and I wish you every possible success. As I said on the course and on this forum and I repeat again - I believe there are many routes to health and recovery of which LCHF is only one. Diabetics must choose their own way but should be informed of all the options, not just the old die-hard ways that are increasingly being found to be suspect.

I would suggest that flaming is not the best way to breed intelligent discussion and that perhaps a more courteous, balanced response would have been better.
 
When my GP diagnosed my type 2, he suggested the Arlkins diet for weight loss, and while I didn't follow his advice to the letter, it did point me to towards LCHF. At my first appointment with the diabetic nurse, she suggested that I went on an X-PERT course - but (in retrospect, fortunately for me) there weren't any available at the time that i could easily get to. Another GP in the practice was my diabetes support initially, but more recently my GP has now taken over this role. He's been aware for most of the time though, that I both test and low carb, and at my recent review said to me " I take it you don't really need to go on a course now, do you?" :p:p So there are definitely some out there who do still have a bit of common sense, and I feel I've been very lucky!

Robbity

PS the X-PERT course would have been well before Trudi Deakins book came out.
 
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eddie1968 said:
I do not know what course you were on but if it was the T2 DESMOND course you have either reported your experience inaccurately or whoever did the course did not conduct in the proper manner. I have been on the course and in no part did it encourage excess or gratuitous intake of carbs. The course is an education on all part of Type 2 diabetes and diet is a part of it. I find your post an inaccurate misrepresentation and a "pro LCHF" post. The facts are not in on LCHF and that is why I do not do it. :)
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As your signature indicates you're on insulin then maybe you don't feel the desire to control your blood glucose numbers using diet as closely as those of us who are steadfastly trying to avoid medication. It seems to me that the medical profession would not dream of recommending that an alcoholic should keep drinking alcohol or a ceoliac keep eating products containing gluten whereas they do recommend that diabetics keep up their intake of foods that readily turn to glucose blood stream.

That the facts are not in for LCHF is not truly relevant. The facts are in for the eatwell plate. Looking at the huge number of diabetics who follow the recommended eatwell plate and then progress through all the medication available and then still suffer the complications that long term high blood glucose levels can bring clearly shows that the NHS recommended diet is unsuitable. Therefore an alternative diet which reduces the high levels of troublesome quick acting carbohydrates makes an awful lot of sense to me.
 
Welshman1952 said:
Oh .. and the other thing they told us on this waste of time course ... the reason why more Asian people are diabetic? Because they are genetically engineered better to cope with fasting and feasting! So, when food is scarce their bodies cope better with famine. Now, as food has become more available in the third world, their bodies struggle to cope .. and so they become diabetic.

By this time I couldn't work out whether I was being taught by an imbecile, or a member of the UK branch of the KKK!!!! Will I comment on this blatant racism? Count on it!
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@Welshman1952 studies have shown an increased rate compared to westerners. Why do you think that is?
 
@ickihun There could be a number of reasons. For example, a 2002 study argued higher risk may be because Asians, especially South Asians, are more likely to have less muscle and more abdominal fat, which increases insulin resistance. Alternatively, a 2011 paper proposed that nearly 50% of adult men in Asian countries smoke regularly, which is associated with higher abdominal fat and a 45% increased risk of developing diabetes.

In short, there are a variety of potential explanations, but the one suggested on the course, I would argue is intrinsically judgemental and quite racist.
 
I remember when first diagnosed I asked if I could do something to lower my sugar ( oh don't worry just look at the diet leaflet and keep attending your appointments ) I was in the process of moving house and starting new job so attended another surgery who brought in a consultant once a week again I asked what to do re decreasing my B/S same advice as before. Moved to new area new surgery fortunately my Nurse is wife of my Dr she is type 1 and very good with advice I asked again same advice with slightly different little bits I then found some books on reversing my diabetes I took them to nurse she was great and gave me great encouragement and my weight has improved and with it my B/S. My nephew is a solicitor I think I'll ask him how to start a case LOL.
 
I need to re-educate a lady at work who has been diabetic for a year now.

She went on the Edmond course and described it as brilliant. She too can eat almost what she likes (in moderation) - so she was told. She was also told by one of her HCPs that despite being on Gliclazide, there was not any real danger of her having a hypo ... and she did not need to test her BS.
 
JIMBO1944 said:
I remember when first diagnosed I asked if I could do something to lower my sugar ( oh don't worry just look at the diet leaflet and keep attending your appointments ) I was in the process of moving house and starting new job so attended another surgery who brought in a consultant once a week again I asked what to do re decreasing my B/S same advice as before. Moved to new area new surgery fortunately my Nurse is wife of my Dr she is type 1 and very good with advice I asked again same advice with slightly different little bits I then found some books on reversing my diabetes I took them to nurse she was great and gave me great encouragement and my weight has improved and with it my B/S. My nephew is a solicitor I think I'll ask him how to start a case LOL.
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I'll be surprised if there's a case to hear. They arent advising on the wrong info that any other specialist of their stature would say. Until that changes, no case to take. In fact, they are prone to negligence if they only give lchf diet when that clearly doesn't work for everyone.
It works for me but I'm not everyone!
That's why some patients see dieticians for one to one advice.
These courses are just a guide not set in stone.
 
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