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EU - In or Out + Poll.

EU: Leave, stay or undecided?

  • Leave

    Votes: 83 42.3%

  • Stay

    Votes: 101 51.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 12 6.1%
  • Total voters
    196
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zand said:
I agree. That includes not moaning about austerity measures as we try to reduce our deficit. It includes not striking for pay increases that employers can't afford to pay. I'm happy with that. That's how a household should be run, only spending what it can afford.
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Agreed. I believe your last sentence is something Margaret Thatcher once said. :)
 
Do you ignore your families needs for the neighbours?
Well, i wouldnt.
Sort your families needs first. That's all im saying.
London's needs is not the same as the rest of the uks.
You have decent people up north who are ignored for the neighbours. That will never be right in my book.
Sorry if that upsets people. That is not my intention.
A vision which is 2D isnt the full picture.
 
Catlady19 said:
Yes I totally agree and according to some remain supporters they won't be able to work / study in Europe, so yes, where are they going to go?
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No where, they are going to have to stay at home....
 
hankjam said:
No where, they are going to have to stay at home....
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What is wrong with home?
If it's not the way you want it. Change it. So you do!
I have and much much happier. It needs tweaking but will never be the finished article.
My vision is 3D and 4D depending on my mood. I know what makes me content and no longer forever searching for what was right under my nose!
 
SunnyExpat said:
I know a fair few whose kids are already looking at transferring from english universities to scottish ones, if the course has over two years left, and other's that are planning to emigrate now when they finish, some to the EU, some to Canada.
I am seriously considering moving my UK address over the border into scotland as well.
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How is moving to a Scottish University going to help them?
 
I agree with ChrisSamsdad. Both of my sons will suffer because of this referendum result. Both work in London, at the moment. They work hard. Leaving before 7am and not getting home until after 7pm. Their future is now uncertain. Needless to say I am angry. What a kick in the teeth for the future of the youth of this country.


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ickihun said:
What is wrong with home?
If it's not the way you want it. Change it. So you do!
I have and much much happier. It needs tweaking but will never be the finished article.
My vision is 3D and 4D depending on my mood. I know what makes me content and no longer forever searching for what was right under my nose!
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There is nothing wrong about home.

It is a matter of choice.
When you are young you get to choose what you want to do. For the last 40 odd years if you wanted to go to University, or what ever, in Europe it was a lot easier than it is going to be.
If you want to a PhD or a Post-doc in a top German lab, for example, there were funds available to support you.
Not now.

It is going to be bad for UK Science.
 
hankjam said:
There are a number of EU bodies that support young UK scientists to work / get experience in European labs, which the UK will now be excluded from. This is a real bummer, as getting a varied post-doc CV is now an essential for anyone wanting to climb the ladder.
It will work both ways, EU researchers will find it much harder to get places in UK labs..
It's certainly not good for science and I think science was one group that were/are very remain.
I feel for the young.... just glad I'm through that period.
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But that is just supposition, you don't know that will be the case. Anyway, Europe is not the only place to study.
 
hankjam said:
There is nothing wrong about home.

It is a matter of choice.
When you are young you get to choose what you want to do. For the last 40 odd years if you wanted to go to University, or what ever, in Europe it was a lot easier than it is going to be.
If you want to a PhD or a Post-doc in a top German lab, for example, there were funds available to support you.
Not now.

It is going to be bad for UK Science.
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Do you think the top German labs will turn down top UK talent? Again, you dont know what will happen. There will be ways and means around these things. After all, people used to study abroad before the EU.
 
Switzerland has had educational/research opportunities for study in EU countries withdrawn because they recently voted to reverse their commitment to free movement, which they had previously given to be able to trade in the EU.
 
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Catlady19 said:
Do you think the top German labs will turn down top UK talent? Again, you dont know what will happen. There will be ways and means around these things. After all, people used to study abroad before the EU.
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Combine the two responses.
The way grants and fellowships work in the EU is that you have to be part of the EU to be able to apply. Fact.
We have voted out of the EU and so are no longer able to apply.
The fact that top UK talent will no longer be on the selection list will mean that the remaining countries will have a greater chance for the places/

Europe is not the only place to study. It just the closest and most diverse group of countries there is.
 
ickihun said:
Do you ignore your families needs for the neighbours?
Well, i wouldnt.
Sort your families needs first. That's all im saying.
London's needs is not the same as the rest of the uks.
You have decent people up north who are ignored for the neighbours. That will never be right in my book.
Sorry if that upsets people. That is not my intention.
A vision which is 2D isnt the full picture.
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I agree - I think it's human nature to look after your family first. But I saw no evidence that the UK government was taking money that could have gone to 'my family' (so to speak) and giving it to my neighbours. The UK contribution to the EU was a miniscule part of the overall spending.

Personally, I think there's a fair few things wrong with this country at the moment but the majority of those are nothing to do with the EU. (I'm not getting started on what I'd want to change else we'd be here all night : D )
 
ickihun said:
Do you ignore your families needs for the neighbours?
Well, i wouldnt.
Sort your families needs first. That's all im saying.
London's needs is not the same as the rest of the uks.
You have decent people up north who are ignored for the neighbours. That will never be right in my book.
Sorry if that upsets people. That is not my intention.
A vision which is 2D isnt the full picture.
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There is poverty in areas of Laaaandaan.!
I live in the West Country. But still awair of this.. I went there once! Lol

Neighbours. One can do stuff for em which is mutually advantageous.. I bring my neibour's bin in when I get home from work. & likewise if they are back before me.!
Then there are the house watches when we're away.
Halving the work & sharing the job painting our adjoining garages..
There is limited parking space where we are. So a little give & take when people come over..?

Yep, it starts "at home". But the bigger picture.... ;):cool:
 
Catlady19 said:
How is moving to a Scottish University going to help them?
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For the expectations that they will remain in the EU, and have all benefits of free movement, cross border taxation, rights to live in the EU......
For me, so I can get the benefits that come with an EU pension being paid, as opposed to the complete unknown that is going to be happening in England.
 
ickihun said:
All whixh can be made in England. Surely.
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Clothes, food, presents, souvenirs, cars.

Ok, most clothes come from vietnam nowadays, but I was thinking more of the 'I love Paris' t shirt, which will now be subject to duty and vat on entry to the UK again.
Same with food, unless you go back to just UK produced food, rather than the sunny parts of europe, and accept seasonal food.
Cars, I've no idea how that would work, and even if you could re start British Leyland, no one would swap their BMW for a Maxi.

I think the problem we're facing is no-one has any idea of the practicalities, even the leave side didn't actually expect to win, these are just the little things that are easy to gloss over, but will be the ones that mostly affect me.
 
London is a hard place to live in, rent prices are crazy, buying a 2 up 2 down terrace in Newcastle central is roughly £200,000 the equivalent in The city of London is £2,000,000 even if you earn £35,000 you couldn't afford to live there, if you are lucky you might get a council flat, (lots of London boroughs are buying or building homes in East Kent to move their tenants there as it is cheaper) families living with married children in 2 bedroom flats (did you know the kitchen is considered a room to sleep in). Broom cupboards with a small mattress for kids. Can you imagine living with 8 of your family in these flats.
You could commute into London by bus from a cheaper area, from were I live (40 miles away) it will cost £3000 for the bus, £7000 for the train, the cheapest option would be car but where can you park and you have congestion charge and maybe Dartford toll. There is a huge homeless problem here people living in tents in parks (not migrants)
People in London aren't living in the lap of luxury, it is very expensive, for food, rent etc.
Remember 90% of people are ordinary hard working decent people. 10% have the wealth.
These council tenants that are being moved to the east of Kent are using Kent schools, GPs, etc, then on top of that you have at least one lorry a day being found with migrants, who want to go to London which cannot even support its own tenants.
London has a population of just over 9 million people with another 3 million commuting into it every day, that is 3xtimes the population of Birmingham going into work everyday. 12 million people in a little piece of land.
 
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