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What do you think about Michael Greger says about Diabetes?

zand said:
So you must be hungry all the time then? That's not a nice feeling.
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I honestly think it was habit.
Work, eat, play, work, eat, play, and the eating was often part of the play.
But I could still eat all day now.
It's not hunger, it's lack of feeling full, if I'm working, I don't eat unless I remember, but then, when I start, I don't stop, then I do feel hungry.
So the way now is really to pace eating, so I know when I'm eating next, or simply to get to my calorie limit, then stop. (that's the will power bit).
I could still snack continuously if I didn't watch out for it.

I also think it made me efficient at processing food, as I could regularly go for 24 hours between eating, so my body processed everything it got and stored it, then used it for energy. Be it just meat, or just donuts for the days meal.
(A bit like some posters that say they can switch in and out of keto at will)
 
I thought this is the vegeterian- vegan part of the forum.. :chicken:

Anyway.. @JenniferG @Brunneria I think Dr Greger is being misquoted regarding that bacon and eggs thing. What you probably mean is a chart from some kind of research paper that showed the mean bmi of people eating different kinds of ways.. You may claim it is a flawed chart or an old chart or misrepresenting in any way but it was still published in a research paper because that's where he got it from.. and @bulkbiker the thing with the egg is just a different nutrition research paper saying just that.. this is what he claims to do on his webpage.. reading nutrition research papers and making videos about them..
I cannot judge how accurate his claims are as I am too lazy to look up all of his references but if you own his book.. at the back of it there are all the papers listed he used to draw his conclusions..

And a last point as this is the vegetarian and vegan part of the forum and some vegan or vegetarian might see this.. Because I would have liked to see this when I was diagnosed with diabetes type 2.. At least for vegans there is a different way than high fat low carb to control your blood glucose.. it is called high carb low fat.. (and this time they mean low fat.. under 10% of your calories)
 
I am moving this thread to Diabetes Discussions as it is more suited to that board.
 
tatterzombie said:
I thought this is the vegeterian- vegan part of the forum.. :chicken:

Anyway.. @JenniferG @Brunneria I think Dr Greger is being misquoted regarding that bacon and eggs thing. What you probably mean is a chart from some kind of research paper that showed the mean bmi of people eating different kinds of ways.. You may claim it is a flawed chart or an old chart or misrepresenting in any way but it was still published in a research paper because that's where he got it from.. and @bulkbiker the thing with the egg is just a different nutrition research paper saying just that.. this is what he claims to do on his webpage.. reading nutrition research papers and making videos about them..
I cannot judge how accurate his claims are as I am too lazy to look up all of his references but if you own his book.. at the back of it there are all the papers listed he used to draw his conclusions..

And a last point as this is the vegetarian and vegan part of the forum and some vegan or vegetarian might see this.. Because I would have liked to see this when I was diagnosed with diabetes type 2.. At least for vegans there is a different way than high fat low carb to control your blood glucose.. it is called high carb low fat.. (and this time they mean low fat.. under 10% of your calories)
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I have to confess, I hadn't realised it was on the vegetarian section, as I replied in the 'recent posts'.

But my original weight loss, and very good control was on a very low fat diet, definitely under 10%, so by definition high percentage of carbs.
But good, low GI carbs, and cutting all the classic bad diet foods.
Now on Mediterranean diet, so again, not high in animal fat, and much more balanced in the carbs, proteins, and fats.
 
JenniferG said:
I am currently on a low carb, high fat diet and have lost 3 stone in the past three months and lightest I've been in years
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Excellent! Well done! Please be aware that so long as your body can metabolise fat correctly, it will work, and you will lose weight.
I gain weight and my BG goes up as soon as I eat more fat. Just shows how different we all are.
 
SunnyExpat said:
Amazing how different folk are.
I still can't consider 8 sausages are ever going to be a light snack again though, regardless of others being able to wolf them down without limit.
I'll always have to count calories.
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Who said anything about 8 sausages? Don't exagerate, please. LCHF does not mean gluttony. I am eating much the same diet I used to, but with reduced carbs, and a slight increase in dairy. I am happy with my diet, and what it does for me.

You are happy with your diet, but seem to be singularly alone in reporting on it, indeed shouting about it. Both of our diets are valid, and recommended for diabetics, so please stop trying to put others off what could be a beneficial life changer for them, just because you follow a different mantra. Why not start a Mediterranean Diet thread and explain why it works for you.
 
Had a quick look at the site, and it did seem mixed.

Things that much of this forum generally regards as true, such as a sensible diet + loads of veggies + exercise can lead to weight loss, improve BG control and in some cases reverse diabetes.

Then there is other stuff about one egg doubling the risk of diabetes which is extreme even for the extreme diets discussed on here.

The general impression is that if you follow almost any restricted diet and lose weight and increase fitness then you will be able to claim good results.

However there is the usual correlation and causation thing.

If you live just on lettuce leaves and dry brown bread (for instance) and lose loads of weight and reverse your diabetes this means you found an approach which works for you. It doesn't mean all other approaches are wrong or any particular food (which you didn't eat) is evil and will cause weight gain and diabetes.
 
Oldvatr said:
Who said anything about 8 sausages? Don't exagerate, please. LCHF does not mean gluttony. I am eating much the same diet I used to, but with reduced carbs, and a slight increase in dairy. I am happy with my diet, and what it does for me.

You are happy with your diet, but seem to be singularly alone in reporting on it, indeed shouting about it. Both of our diets are valid, and recommended for diabetics, so please stop trying to put others off what could be a beneficial life changer for them, just because you follow a different mantra. Why not start a Mediterranean Diet thread and explain why it works for you.
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I did.
It's quite funny when other people don't seem to be able to get their head around other peoples diet at times.
I am surprised to include you in that group though.
 
Just a warning to remain civil, please. Keep your posts on topic and don't make personal comments.

It's very sad when discussions on diet degenerate into a slanging match, and I wouldn't want this thread to go that way. It benefits no one.
 
Well I felt I posted this in the appropriate place, because a friend bought me his book, and I'm interested in the plant based diet. I am just trying to make sense of it. He's vegetarian. I'm currently on a LCHF diet that eats meat. I was trying to gain perspective. How a very insulin resistant person such as myself could eat a plant based diet without having to inject insulin.
 
JenniferG said:
Well I felt I posted this in the appropriate place, because a friend bought me his book, and I'm interested in the plant based diet. I am just trying to make sense of it. He's vegetarian. I'm currently on a LCHF diet that eats meat. I was trying to gain perspective. How a very insulin resistant person such as myself could eat a plant based diet without having to inject insulin.
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Sorry.
It just showed up in 'recent posts' and I didn't see the actual section it was posted in.
It possibly went off track as many only saw the 'sausage and bacon' comment, which was something I confess to eating a great deal off before I got my BG under control.
Possibly it's worth re-launching the thread, with the specific question, and the specific warning that's it is a vegetarian related thread, as it doesn't always get picked up.
 
JenniferG said:
Well I felt I posted this in the appropriate place, because a friend bought me his book, and I'm interested in the plant based diet. I am just trying to make sense of it. He's vegetarian. I'm currently on a LCHF diet that eats meat. I was trying to gain perspective. How a very insulin resistant person such as myself could eat a plant based diet without having to inject insulin.
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Sorry, we hijacked your thread.
As was said, LCHF can be followed as a vegetarian and also I believe vegan. But some micronutrients may be difficult to source without supplements. So going whole plant could be possible, but the low fat aspect may not support full ketosis, and you may find just an LC diet easier to follow on whole plant.
I am a meat eater (Ooops) and dairy muncher, but I have greatly increased my veg intake. I hold back on fructose sources though, and most of my veg is cooked, not raw. However, I do not advise deep fried battered lettuce rolls, even in coconut oil.
i have not read or even heard of Michael Greger, but it sounds like he is coming from the strict vegan side of things. i play for the other team.
There is anecdotal evidence that weight reduction greatly helps to reduce IR, so this diet could work for you. Intermittent Fasting could also be incorporated, so it sounds adaptable.
 
Incorporating IF is a great idea.

Weight loss, exercise, low carbing and fasting seem to reduce insulin resistance more than other stuff (there are some drugs like Metformin that help too), but adding in higher carbs might just need balancing with more exercise and IF.

Pity we can't get insulin clamping tests in the UK (at least I don't think we can). It would be fascinating to discover how much extra insulin was needed to cope with the extra carbs - since some health issues stem from hyperinsulinaemia rather than just high blood glucose.

Having said that, if insulin resistance is an issue while low carbing, then presumably it would just increase further with the addition of more carbs. Although unprocessed whole veg carbs wouldn't increase it like processed foods.

Sorry folks, am just rambling. will shut up now. ;)
 
Brunneria said:
Incorporating IF is a great idea.

Weight loss, exercise, low carbing and fasting seem to reduce insulin resistance more than other stuff (there are some drugs like Metformin that help too), but adding in higher carbs might just need balancing with more exercise and IF.

Pity we can't get insulin clamping tests in the UK (at least I don't think we can). It would be fascinating to discover how much extra insulin was needed to cope with the extra carbs - since some health issues stem from hyperinsulinaemia rather than just high blood glucose.

Having said that, if insulin resistance is an issue while low carbing, then presumably it would just increase further with the addition of more carbs. Although unprocessed whole veg carbs wouldn't increase it like processed foods.

Sorry folks, am just rambling. will shut up now. ;)
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I think what LC teaches us is that it is more the grains and refined products that are the main culprits, so increased veg is not such an issue. The mantra does also prefer above ground veg not root veg, but that I think is aimed at achieving ketosis (VLC) where daily carb intake needs to be around 20g/day
 
Oldvatr said:
I think what LC teaches us is that it is more the grains and refined products that are the main culprits, so increased veg is not such an issue. The mantra does also prefer above ground veg not root veg, but that I think is aimed at achieving ketosis (VLC) where daily carb intake needs to be around 20g/day
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yes, but isn't this thread about HCLF? Such a diet will have those grains, although they will also be accompanied by large amounts of other veg, which will increase the fibre content...

Is ketosis even possible on a HCLF diet? - that was a rhetorical question, cos I don't expect anyone to actually know the answer! :)
 
Brunneria said:
Is ketosis even possible on a HCLF diet? - that was a rhetorical question, cos I don't expect anyone to actually know the answer! :)
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lol I don't know.....but there's one way to find out.....I really like experimenting. :D
 
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