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Carb Tolerances

AndBreathe

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I have no idea how this will copy, as it's from The Times, yesterday. The article isn't anything to do with diabetes. Clearly there's no consideration of blood glucose levels in the face of the "experiment", but a very basic view to read.

I may do this, alongside my OH (who is non-diabetic with a low natural HbA1c), just for a bit of fun.


Our genes may decide how well we cope with a carb-heavy diet

Most people who lose weight by dieting do not keep the weight off over the long term. They try the latest fad diet, stick to it for a few weeks or months and drop some pounds, but sooner or later they return to their old eating habits. They regain the weight — possibly adding on even more — and when the next “miracle” diet comes along they try the whole disheartening process again.

Most diets fail because of two important flaws, says Dr Sharon Moalem, a leading geneticist based in the United States. “The first is simply a mind-numbing, restrictive lack of variety in the food that you are allowed to eat, making it impossible to stick to the diet in the long term,” he says in his book The DNA Restart. “The second and most important reason is that, until now, there hasn’t been a single diet that is designed with every single person on the planet in mind.”

There is no one-size-fits-all diet, he says, because people are wonderfully different. Some thrive on carbs while others have genes that mean that they should restrict them. It may go some way towards explaining why some people can lose weight only on a high-fat, high-protein diet, while others find that a calorie-restricted diet that includes all the food groups is the only weight-loss programme for them. “On a genetic level, although you may be very similar to other people, there’s no one else exactly like you. It’s not even close,” he says. We require different diets tailored to our own genes, he says.

Dr Moalem claims that he can set us on the path to our ideal weight and to optimal health by telling us how to unlock our personal genetic code and how to eat according to our DNA. In the process we can lose weight and reverse some of the signs of ageing. “Until now, we have been eating blind, without any personalised genetic wisdom to guide us,” he says.

We meet for breakfast in a fashionable Manhattan restaurant. The 42-year-old Canadian-born scientist has an informal and enthusiastic approach that makes his work — a melding of evolution, genetics, biology and medicine — easier for the layman to understand.

Genetics has been his lifelong passion, he says. He has founded two biotechnology companies, holds 25 patents worldwide for inventions in the fields of biotechnology and human health, and has helped in the discovery of new antibiotics.

This is his fourth book, and Dr Moalem explains that each of us is born with an “instruction manual”, a three-billion-letter genetic code full of individualised wisdom collected and annotated over millennia. “Every nutritional adaptation that allowed your genetic ancestor to survive long enough to pass on to his or her own children is in there — a veritable genetic tapestry gifted to you from every direct genetic ancestor you have ever had,” he writes in the book.

We also have two genomes — one from our mother and one from our father. Within our genomes we have about 20,000 genes that regulate and maintain our body, keep our heart beating, build bones and so on.

We require different diets tailored to our own genes. Until now we have been eating blindDr Sharon Moalem
“The old way of thinking was that we inherited one gene from each parent, so it was thought that you had two copies of every gene. But now we know that there is something called copy number variations, or CNVs, and in the important places in the genome where we need more horsepower, those genes duplicate,” says Dr Moalem. Instead of two copies of a gene, some people might have inherited a dozen or more.

“Does it really matter? Absolutely,” he says. “Many of these CNVs passed on from your ancestors can be an advantage when eating certain things.”

For some people carbs are beneficial, he says, because they come from ancestors who relied heavily on starches, farmers who grew and consumed cereal grains. They have inherited multiple copies of the gene that the body uses to make the protein amylase, called AMY1. Some people have as many as 20 copies of amylase and can digest a lot of starch, while others have fewer copies or even none and will have problems digesting it.

“It’s an amazing enzyme because it has the ability, within seconds, to start breaking down starch,” says Dr Moalem. “It’s like a giant pair of shearing scissors that can cut apart big and bulky starch molecules into simpler sugars. The faster it cuts up the starch into simpler sugars like maltose, the more your body can handle carbohydrates internally.

“So if you have individuals eating the same western, carbohydrate-heavy diet, the more of these genes they have, the less likely they are to be obese and diabetic. If you think about it, these are like cylinders in an engine. Some people have a high-powered engine that can power up a hill, and some people have a lawn-mower engine that’s puttering and shaking.”

This metabolic strain on the body can lead to conditions such as type 2 diabetes, as well as shortening life expectancy.

Around us, people are tucking into eggs benedict and stacks of pancakes loaded with maple syrup, and Dr Moalem produces a box of plain and unsalted crackers and puts three of them on my plate. Thankfully, this isn’t breakfast on his new diet — it is a genetic self-test that will help people to eat the correct amount of carbohydrates for their genetic make-up.

If you can consume dairy products as an adult, you are actually a genetic mutantDr Sharon Moalem
The test, which Dr Moalem calls groundbreaking, will indicate how much amylase you have in your saliva. Knowing how much amylase is in your saliva is a powerful way of getting a person to eat the right amount of carbohydrates.

I chew the crackers and he asks me to say when I notice a change from bland to sweet. The change is slight and occurs at 27 seconds, meaning I should eat carbohydrates in moderation. When he did the test, Dr Moalem noted a change at ten seconds and can eat more carbohydrates than I can (see panel for how to do the test).

Another interesting self-test — for which you need only a cotton bud — will tell you your optimal weekly alcohol intake for health and weight loss. People with wet and brownish ear wax can handle more alcohol in the course of a week than people with dry, flakey, lighter coloured earwax. Men should have two alcoholic drinks a day and women should have one, if that’s what their genes allow.

We move on to talk about dairy. “If you can consume dairy products as an adult, you are actually a genetic mutant,” he says. “That means one of your ancestors kept animals for their milk and one of those ancestors was lucky enough to inherit that mutation and then passed it on to everyone else.”

Most people in the world — about two thirds of the adult population — cannot digest the sugar lactose found in milk and experience gas and bloating. “If you do have the genes to eat dairy, you should continue to do so — the idea is to come into line with what your ancestors were eating,” he says.

Most of us are getting too much iron from our diets, he says. Hereditary hemochromatosis is a genetic condition passed on from your parents. “We all need iron, but some people’s bodies work like giant magnets, pulling out and absorbing iron from what they’re eating every day,” explains Dr Moalem.

“So if you have those genes and you have an iron-rich diet, iron builds up in your body over your lifetime. If you are male, it will eventually rust out your liver — it’s a risk factor for liver cancer, heart disease and diabetes, and we also think its involved in neurological disorders such as Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s. For women it’s a benefit because it prevents them from being anaemic when they have their periods and when they have children, but it become problematic once they hit menopause. Then, the iron doesn’t leave their bodies and they’re at the same risk as men for the same conditions.”

In his book, Dr Moalem has several suggestions for living in harmony with your DNA. Most importantly, you need to eat for your genes — by which he means finding out if your body can handle full, moderate or restricted carbohydrate intake.

Everyone should imit red meat to two servings a week — although a great source of protein, red meat can increase your odds of getting cancer or heart disease. Do not consume processed meats and ban soft drinks. Get emulsifiers, which are in everything from toothpaste to supermarket baked goods, out of your diet. “Emulsifiers are used within processed foods to make them shelf-stable or keep ingredients from separating,” says Dr Moalem. “We simply do not have the DNA to eat detergent, which is what emulsifiers are.”

Drink two to three cups of oolong tea a day. Unlike green or black tea, oolong is easy on the stomach. It specifically targets belly fat and is good for your gut microbiome. Oolong protects your DNA from oxidative stress.

Dr Moalem says he believes that the wisdom of our DNA’s dietary rules are locked away in our bodies, but can be made available to us. He used it himself three years ago when he was 30lb overweight, thanks to eating from vending machines when he was an on-call doctor.

“We’ve been blaming people for obesity instead of taking into account that they may not have the genetic machinery to deal with the modern diet — but I’ve brought myself back to an ideal state of genetic health and you can too,” he says.
The DNA Restart
by Dr Sharon Moalem is published on October 6 (Rodale Books, £19.99)

Dr Moalem’s three-minute cracker test: what’s your carbs limit?

What you will need: an unsalted cracker such as a cream cracker or water biscuit and a timer

The goal of this test is to find out which of the three carbohydrate consumption categories you fall into: Full, Moderate or Restricted. You will get this information by the amount of time it takes for a change in taste from bland to sweet to occur when you’re chewing the cracker. If you never detect a change in taste, that’s normal — and significant — too.

Place the cracker in your mouth and start timing and chewing. You will need to pay close attention, as the starch in the cracker may already be starting to be digested by amylase in your saliva. Don’t swallow. As soon as you detect a change in taste — it can be quite subtle — or if you reach 30 seconds while timing, stop chewing and note the time. Rerun the test twice more for accuracy. Take an average so you can get your carb type.

The number of seconds it takes for the taste to change dictates your carb type:

0-14 seconds
Your carb type is Full. You naturally thrive on carbs. This means you can have up to 50 per cent of your calories coming from carbs, 20 per cent from protein and 30 per cent from fats.

15-30 seconds
Your carb type is Moderate. Your body finds carbs harder to process. This means you can have up to 35 per cent of your calories coming from carbs, 30 per cent from protein and 35 per cent from fats.

More than 30 seconds
Your carb type is Restricted. Your body finds carbs hard to process. This means you should have no more than 25 per cent of your calories coming from carbs, 35 per cent from protein and 40 per cent from fats.
 
@AndBreathe.
Always a bit sceptical about reports and findings, just my cynical nature.
A very interesting read though and definitely a good excuse to have a cream cracker later.
Slightly curious as to what time I'll achieve.
Thanks for the post.
 
Hmm.....interesting! I know many people don't believe in the blood type diet but I do believe in its basic premise. I am type O and I know I do not have much amylase. Not only am I extremely carb sensative but any type of starch, grain or sugar bloats me and exhausts me. Type O's are supposed to eat a lower carb diet and more animal / fish protein than other blood types. Type As are supposed to lean toward a more vegetarian type diet, lighter proteins such as fish and no red meat. I can us usually tell which BT someone is by asking how they eat and which foods they gravitate toward. My mom, Type A loves burgers and steaks but is always complaining of indigestion and yawning right after she eats it. I eat lamb chops and I am full of energy. She does great with stir fries just with soy sauce veggies and a little shrimp or chicken. I would be ravenous. I need heavy far and she need low fat. Other than diabetes ( haha) I am 52 and great health and weight. My mom is 86 and acts like 66. My dad is an O and eats tons of grains, starch and dairy. He is 85 and has had very bad health for many years.

The test sounds interesting but I'm not going to eat carbs as the are my devil but if you do the test it would be great to hear your results.

Btw, I don't 'follow' the blood type food lists but I have always naturally gravitated toward the basic O premise. Of course I had stages where I did the low fat high carb thing and gained tons of weight, lived bloated every day and felt awful. I do stay away from the worst foods which are grains, dairy, corn, peanuts and potato and I do eat red meat a few times a week and a higher fat diet with small amounts of protein at each meal with is recommended. It works for me.

All this DNA stuff fascinates me
 
The enzyme amylase
Salivary amylase (α-amylase) is an enzyme in your saliva that starts the digestion of starch.

We’ve known about amylase for a long time. (In fact, the first scientific article about it was published over 100 years ago!)

The gene that makes amylase, AMY1, varies in copy number from person to person. And AMY1 genes have a huge CNV range, from two to sixteen copies.

More AMY1 genes mean more salivary amylase.

More salivary amylase means you break down carbs more effectively, immediately.

As soon as you bite into that potato or plantain, your AMY1 goes to work.

And again, if you have more AMY1 genes, your carb-digestion work crew will be bigger and faster.

Amylase and evolution
In 2007, researchers learned that people living in cultures that traditionally ate high starch diets had more AMY1 copy numbers and more amylase enzyme in their saliva.
http://www.precisionnutrition.com/carbohydrate-tolerance-genes
Explains why some diabetics are more tolerant of carbs than others.

Don't think I will bother with the cream cracker, they are too dry.
 
Dr Moalem’s three-minute cracker test: what’s your carbs limit?

What you will need: an unsalted cracker such as a cream cracker or water biscuit and a timer

The goal of this test is to find out which of the three carbohydrate consumption categories you fall into: Full, Moderate or Restricted. You will get this information by the amount of time it takes for a change in taste from bland to sweet to occur when you’re chewing the cracker. If you never detect a change in taste, that’s normal — and significant — too.

Place the cracker in your mouth and start timing and chewing. You will need to pay close attention, as the starch in the cracker may already be starting to be digested by amylase in your saliva. Don’t swallow. As soon as you detect a change in taste — it can be quite subtle — or if you reach 30 seconds while timing, stop chewing and note the time. Rerun the test twice more for accuracy. Take an average so you can get your carb type.

The number of seconds it takes for the taste to change dictates your carb type:

0-14 seconds
Your carb type is Full. You naturally thrive on carbs. This means you can have up to 50 per cent of your calories coming from carbs, 20 per cent from protein and 30 per cent from fats.

15-30 seconds
Your carb type is Moderate. Your body finds carbs harder to process. This means you can have up to 35 per cent of your calories coming from carbs, 30 per cent from protein and 35 per cent from fats.

More than 30 seconds
Your carb type is Restricted. Your body finds carbs hard to process. This means you should have no more than 25 per cent of your calories coming from carbs, 35 per cent from protein and 40 per cent from fats.

Did this, and water biscuit / cracker tasted sweet from the first couple of seconds, BUT I AM CARB INTOLERANT.
Also I usually find cream crackers sweet.
Case closed.

Actually that is oversimplification. Depends on manufacturer. Jacobs are sweet, Carrs are bland.
 
@AndBreathe.
Always a bit sceptical about reports and findings, just my cynical nature.
A very interesting read though and definitely a good excuse to have a cream cracker later.
Slightly curious as to what time I'll achieve.
Thanks for the post.

I found it more entertaining than scientific or life changing. I haven't looked up how many grams of carb are in 3 crackers, or however many it is, not not a mammoth sort of number, I'm guessing.
 
I found it more entertaining than scientific or life changing. I haven't looked up how many grams of carb are in 3 crackers, or however many it is, not not a mammoth sort of number, I'm guessing.
Definitely agree it's more entertainment than science.
Jacob's/ Carr's won't mind though I'm guessing.
 
I found it more entertaining than scientific or life changing. I haven't looked up how many grams of carb are in 3 crackers, or however many it is, not not a mammoth sort of number, I'm guessing.
I don't think you have to swallow them. You can spit them out. Still might get a rise though

I found it more entertaining than scientific or life changing. I haven't looked up how many grams of carb are in 3 crackers, or however many it is, not not a mammoth sort of number, I'm guessing.


Just curious if it's only bs intolerant or digestive, weight gain, fatigue etc. ?
 
Did this, and water biscuit / cracker tasted sweet from the first couple of seconds, BUT I AM CARB INTOLERANT.
Also I usually find cream crackers sweet.
Case closed.

Actually that is oversimplification. Depends on manufacturer. Jacobs are sweet, Carrs are bland.
Actually, thinking about it, if Amylase is so key to digesting carbs, then more amylase will mean that the conversion to glucogen will be faster, and for a diabetic, the sugar spike should occur quicker and be larger than if the carbs are not digested. But if carbs are not digrested then do they turn into glucogen anyway? What happens to undigested carbs? won't they just get excreted since the expected route is carbs >>> glucogen >>> glycogen stored in the presence of insulin = weight gain?

The dear doctor must be interpreting carb intolerance as being unable to use carbs for energy at all, rather than how we PWD think of it as being unable to eat carbs without pushing up bgl levels. This makes sense since the article is aimed at non-PWD as a weight loss program. But then his logic also falls down for same reason. If carbs are not digestible, then they should not be adding to weight gain, so the restrictive group should actually be able to eat MORE carbs not less to lose weight.

Seems the doctor is suffering inverted logic.
 
Did this, and water biscuit / cracker tasted sweet from the first couple of seconds, BUT I AM CARB INTOLERANT.
Also I usually find cream crackers sweet.
Case closed.

Actually that is oversimplification. Depends on manufacturer. Jacobs are sweet, Carrs are bland.
I find jacobs ones salty. Carrs less so but haven't a clue which one has more salt in them.
 
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Actually, thinking about it, if Amylase is so key to digesting carbs, then more amylase will mean that the conversion to glucogen will be faster, and for a diabetic, the sugar spike should occur quicker and be larger than if the carbs are not digested. But if carbs are not digrested then do they turn into glucogen anyway? What happens to undigested carbs? won't they just get excreted since the expected route is carbs >>> glucogen >>> glycogen stored in the presence of insulin = weight gain?

The dear doctor must be interpreting carb intolerance as being unable to use carbs for energy at all, rather than how we PWD think of it as being unable to eat carbs without pushing up bgl levels. This makes sense since the article is aimed at non-PWD as a weight loss program. But then his logic also falls down for same reason. If carbs are not digestible, then they should not be adding to weight gain, so the restrictive group should actually be able to eat MORE carbs not less to lose weight.

Seems the doctor is suffering inverted logic.
Great question!!!
 
I find jacobs ones salty. Carrs less so but haven't a clue which one has more salt in them.
Does salt increase the release of saliva? In which case salty ones may increase amylase more than bland ones? I'm having too many thoughts here. Need some carbs.......!

EDIT to add: I'm going crackers here. Just found out that apparently the Good Doctor is only a PHD not an MD type, so is a Theorist.

His treatise on Diabetes appears to be generally panned or binned.

I see recent research is finding out more about the gut enzymes in relation to BGL control, and Amylase is high on the list of enzymes a PWD should not be supplementing. The ones of main interest seems to be Lipase and the one for proteins whose name I forget. The Amylase is apparently triggered by artificial sweetners, which may be why they are also not recommended for PWD Amylase triggers the insulin cycle when sugars or sweetners hit the mouth, and this precedes carb digestion which happens later in the intestines. So even a carb free meal with sweetners in it will set off an insulin flood even if there are no carbs for it to work on.

I have not done too much research into this, so I am working from a hazy memory and maybe got it wrong, but for me enzymes may hold some interesting pieces of the puzzle.
 
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Well as for as us all being different Ive been saying that for years Ive also said on numerous occasions that you have to find a diet that suits YOU and not just follow the crowd, something I've never done and never really understood.

So this kind of makes sense to me, some people will need to avoid almost all carbs and some like me have found that after losing weight that I could can eat a fairly normal diet and still have good bg control and not regain the weight I lost as long as I dont resort to my bad old dietary ways of overeating and binging on carbs.
 
If you never detect a change in taste, that’s normal — and significant — too.

Interesting! I've picked on this bit because this chewing of crackers is something that we did as an experiment in a chemistry lesson . . . . . . in 1967. The whole class noted that the more you chewed the sweeter the taste. I can't remember what we were trying to prove, probably that carbs convert to sugar.
 
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