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Newly Diagnosed T2 last week

wildsnowtiger

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Hi, my name is William and I was diagnosed last week with type 2. I had a heart attack at the end of July and hadn't been very well afterwards. At the hospital heart rehab I mentioned it to the nurse and she took blood tests a fortnight ago. A week ago she told me that something wasn't right with my blood and had the doctor been in touch, to which the answer was no. I then had to chase up an appointment where I discovered that my first blood test was at 56 (still don't fully understand all this yet!), but was informed that a blood test taken in December 2012 showed that I was borderline at 48 but for some reason was not informed or followed up. That afternoon I was given an urgent appointment with the Diabetes Nurse and more blood taken. Later in the week I was confirmed as being type 2 diabetic. I nearly fell through the floor with the shock. I have been back and forwards to the doctors for health reasons throughout these four years and nowhere was this previous blood test mentioned. If only something was said all those years ago! Lesson: don't let the doctors fob you or your family off if you or they feel something is not right.
Had my confirmation for the Desmond course for this coming week where hopefully things will start to make sense. Trying to understand all the talk about Carbs and blood testing. I have been put on Metformin, cut out sugar from my tea having now changed to Splenda - starting to get used to it! So much to learn... but then, life is all about learning!
Age 50, have 3 daughters and a wonderful supportive wife, and a bonny dog!
 
Hi, my name is William and I was diagnosed last week with type 2. I had a heart attack at the end of July and hadn't been very well afterwards. At the hospital heart rehab I mentioned it to the nurse and she took blood tests a fortnight ago. A week ago she told me that something wasn't right with my blood and had the doctor been in touch, to which the answer was no. I then had to chase up an appointment where I discovered that my first blood test was at 56 (still don't fully understand all this yet!), but was informed that a blood test taken in December 2012 showed that I was borderline at 48 but for some reason was not informed or followed up. That afternoon I was given an urgent appointment with the Diabetes Nurse and more blood taken. Later in the week I was confirmed as being type 2 diabetic. I nearly fell through the floor with the shock. I have been back and forwards to the doctors for health reasons throughout these four years and nowhere was this previous blood test mentioned. If only something was said all those years ago! Lesson: don't let the doctors fob you or your family off if you or they feel something is not right.
Had my confirmation for the Desmond course for this coming week where hopefully things will start to make sense. Trying to understand all the talk about Carbs and blood testing. I have been put on Metformin, cut out sugar from my tea having now changed to Splenda - starting to get used to it! So much to learn... but then, life is all about learning!
Age 50, have 3 daughters and a wonderful supportive wife, and a bonny dog!

yes the only one to pay for GP´s mistakes are us... but if you stay in here you will learn a lot and get a feeling of control over your life again I hope... best of luck.... I am myself new in this too but have learned so much the last 3 month....., and started slovely to get fit again... hope you use it to find new ways to better your life and not only sees the disaster it also is obviously
 
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Hi, my name is William and I was diagnosed last week with type 2. I had a heart attack at the end of July and hadn't been very well afterwards. At the hospital heart rehab I mentioned it to the nurse and she took blood tests a fortnight ago. A week ago she told me that something wasn't right with my blood and had the doctor been in touch, to which the answer was no. I then had to chase up an appointment where I discovered that my first blood test was at 56 (still don't fully understand all this yet!), but was informed that a blood test taken in December 2012 showed that I was borderline at 48 but for some reason was not informed or followed up. That afternoon I was given an urgent appointment with the Diabetes Nurse and more blood taken. Later in the week I was confirmed as being type 2 diabetic. I nearly fell through the floor with the shock. I have been back and forwards to the doctors for health reasons throughout these four years and nowhere was this previous blood test mentioned. If only something was said all those years ago! Lesson: don't let the doctors fob you or your family off if you or they feel something is not right.
Had my confirmation for the Desmond course for this coming week where hopefully things will start to make sense. Trying to understand all the talk about Carbs and blood testing. I have been put on Metformin, cut out sugar from my tea having now changed to Splenda - starting to get used to it! So much to learn... but then, life is all about learning!
Age 50, have 3 daughters and a wonderful supportive wife, and a bonny dog!
Hi William, Pretty poor service from your doctors to say the least. The important thing is to make sure you're well informed and this site is invaluable to all of us in terms of information & support. It's not just sugar you need to cut out, it's other carbohydrates such as bread, pasta, rice, potatoes. If you can cut these down drastically, as carbohydrates break down in the gut to bcome sugars. Some are better than others so if you can't do without, brown bread, wholewheat pasta & brown rice. Just reduce your quantities. If you are overweight you will find that reducing carbs will help with weight loss. Also, although I'm not a great fan of him, Dr Michael Mosely is a convert to Low Carb, High Fat diet (LCHF). Many low fat foods have sugar in them to make up for loss of fat, so check labels for carb content before you buy. I'm sure you'll fine the Desmond course will answer some of your questions, but they still peddle the "healthy living plate" which includes carbs so most members on the forum tend to ignore that advice.
It's good that you've got a supportive family, and I'm sure they'll be behind you all the way. Good luck with the course and members of the various forums are here to help & support as well. Don't think that questions you've got are silly or stupid, we've all been there & wondered the same thing.
 
Hi and welcome @wildsnowtiger
I will tag @daisy1 who will post some useful info for newcomers. Take time to read and come back and ask questions.
For information about HbA1c look at
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/what-is-hba1c.html

Yours is not that high so with a few changes should be able to come down. It's the carbs that push up our sugars so we need to cut down on them. A lot of us find testing our bloods helpful as then we can see how different foods affect us.
 
@wildsnowtiger

Hello William and welcome to the forum :) In addition to the advice you have received above, here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions when you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 210,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi @wildsnowtiger and welcome to the forum. I agree that GPs should explain what it means when we are-prediabetic. I was told that in 2014, but thought it was the usual scare story, like 'you are at risk of a heart attack in the next 10 years' when they want you to take statins.
I wish I had known more about diabetes then and would have been able to avoid becoming diabetic. Still you have found this forum and you will get a lot of useful advice and support on here. at 56 your HbA1c isn't too high and you should be able to get it down to pre-diabetic (42-47) or non-diabetic (below 42) levels.
 
@wildsnowtiger - Hello William (from another William) and Welcome to the Forum :). Do you have a blood sugar meter and you are testing daily? If not, can provide you with a link to purchase a meter which is popular with members on this forum.
Don't be afraid to ask questions, everyone is friendly and helpful and there will always be someone to answer a question. :)
 
@wildsnowtiger - Hello William (from another William) and Welcome to the Forum :). Do you have a blood sugar meter and you are testing daily? If not, can provide you with a link to purchase a meter which is popular with members on this forum.
Don't be afraid to ask questions, everyone is friendly and helpful and there will always be someone to answer a question. :)
Hi William. Thank you. As to a meter neither doctor nor DN have mentioned one. Maybe the Desmond Course this week might mention one.
 
@wildsnowtiger - Hi :). Yes, the Desmond Course that I attended some 16 years ago, is where I purchased my first blood glucose monitor. But, in case they don't? Come back and tag me. (place @ in front of my Avatar name) A lot of forum members use the SD Codefree Blood Glucose Meter because the test strips are the cheapest to buy. Meters are not handed out like they used to be by Diabetic Nurses/GP's due to cut backs. Hope you enjoy the Desmond Course. :)
 
Hi William and welcome to the 'right' place ;)

Unfortunately, most GPs and Diabetes Nurses will tell you 1) that you must eat Carbohydrates and 2) that Type 2s don't need to test. Well, both those issues would appear to be seriously wrong, I'm afraid. Even on the Desmond course, you will be told all about the 'new' EatWell Place which, when you see it, is over 1/3rd carbs!

Seeing as carbs are quickly (depending on GI Index) are converted into Glucose, common sense would suggest it reasonable to 'control' the amount of carbs eaten. Hence the need to test, in spite of what the NHS and NICE decree (they're seemingly rather out-of-date). Most of us feel it is a matter of £££s cost to the surgery/NHS

Another fallacy would seem to be that often Type 2s are told this is a 'progressive' disease. Well, again in the opinion of the members here, this seems to be based on how the NHS treats Type 2s, ie tablets to bring down your blood glucose. So, wrong advice re dietm ie eat carbs, blood glucose doesn't come down so more tablets but still no correct advice about diet and so it goes on, and on, and on. This actually has been my situation, whereby the doctors just want to throw more tablets at me but not help me get to the right diet and lose weight. I've now reduced my carbs, lost some weight and my HbA1c has drastically come down. The GP is delighted but claimed my loss of weight was responsible and didn't ask about what I was now (not) eating! So sad but it will take them a while to re-learn what they've been brain washed with. The same goes for the 'low-fat' issue - I'll say no more ... ;)

So, what I'm trying to say is to read, research, consider what the NHS professionals tell you but also be a bit cute as to what you've found regarding research. This forum is brilliant and will help you so much.

All the best
Julie
 
Hi William. Thank you. As to a meter neither doctor nor DN have mentioned one. Maybe the Desmond Course this week might mention one.
When I went on a DESMOND course last year, they didn't mention using a meter. Other T2s on this forum have said they have been actively discouraged from using one. You could ask about it, but the NHS seems to not advise T2s to use meters.
But how do you know what effects you or how you are doing unless you do?
 
Hi Wildsnowtiger (I love all these cat names on the forum!) and welcome. I'm so sad - and angry - that your doctor neglected to tell you.

I can only echo what everyone else is saying on here - get a meter, test regularly, try LCHF, and read as much as you can on this website. And, above all, ask loads of questions.
 
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