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At last front page news Daily Express 11 Dec 2016

CherryAA said:
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style...good-for-you-eat-up-says-new-dietary-research

basically good fat = natural fats including saturated fat
bad fats = man -made concoctions

about time too!
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About time too indeed!

I don't know how quickly this will be assimilated as it contravenes so many stereotypes but a big step in the right direction. Decriminalising fat and placing blame where it belongs - carbs, particularly added sugar - would save the NHS millions. Why they don't see this is a puzzle.

Thanks for posting, @CherryAA. Very interesting.
 
It's the carbs that contain the saturated fat plus the TRANSFATS with all the other muck that's included in the manufacture, that's the problem and because this type of food is so lovely to eat and is jumping off the supermarket food shelves and into the baskets and trolleys, is an even bigger problem.
Educating people to be more thought full on the food they buy is like talking to a brick wall as no one wants to face the reality of what health problems will loom ahead.........ignorance is always bliss unfortunately.
 
This article was reviewed last night by both SKY and BBC TV and in both cases it was panned by the 'reviewers'

Did the article itself state who published the study or carried it out? That would be far more useful than a multimedia circus act.

EDIT: The study, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition,
Dr Simon Dankel, associate professor at the University of Bergen in Norway, which carried out the study,

But same paper also reports this:
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style...g-ovarian-tumour-protein-spread-high-fat-diet
 
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Oldvatr said:
This article was reviewed last night by both SKY and BBC TV and in both cases it was panned by the 'reviewers'

Did the article itself state who published the study or carried it out? That would be far more useful than a multimedia circus act.

EDIT: The study, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition,
Dr Simon Dankel, associate professor at the University of Bergen in Norway, which carried out the study,

But same paper also reports this:
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style...g-ovarian-tumour-protein-spread-high-fat-diet
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More on the cancer research site.

https://www.worldwidecancerresearch...rchers-discover-new-cancer-spreading-protein/

It would have been interesting to run the high fat/low fat comparison with a third group of non-saturated fats only.
 
douglas99 said:
More on the cancer research site.

https://www.worldwidecancerresearch...rchers-discover-new-cancer-spreading-protein/

It would have been interesting to run the high fat/low fat comparison with a third group of non-saturated fats only.
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There was a study done earlier this year into sat v nonsat fats in terms of overall mortality, and it reported that sat fats are better for us. So Butter and natural cheeses got the thumbs up.
However, it seems that monosaturated are still better than poly saturated fats so meat fat did not come out quite as sweet smelling. Transfats still remain in the doghouse and are condemmed by all except the food industry. I personally do not have a problem with transfats just as long as they lubricate my machinery, not my body!

This may explain why Mediterranean diet is favoured in the media, but LCHF is not, Atkins also gets panned for their recommendations about meat use, especially with Akins#1.
 
Oldvatr said:
There was a study done earlier this year into sat v nonsat fats in terms of overall mortality, and it reported that sat fats are better for us. So Butter and natural cheeses got the thumbs up.
However, it seems that monosaturated are still better than poly saturated fats so meat fat did not come out quite as sweet smelling. Transfats still remain in the doghouse and are condemmed by all except the food industry. I personally do not have a problem with transfats just as long as they lubricate my machinery, not my body!

This may explain why Mediterranean diet is favoured in the media, but LCHF is not, Atkins also gets panned for their recommendations about meat use, especially with Akins#1.
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Far too many things affect overall mortality for it to be a meaningful marker really.
I will be sticking to the mediterranean diet, and avoiding saturated fats for the foreseeable future I think, and will be watching the research on the cancer link.
 
douglas99 said:
More on the cancer research site.

https://www.worldwidecancerresearch...rchers-discover-new-cancer-spreading-protein/

It would have been interesting to run the high fat/low fat comparison with a third group of non-saturated fats only.
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I would be interested to see the results if it was high saturated fats only, I;m becoming less and less convinced that somehow non saturated fats are better for you than saturated ones.

I am not a scientist but a quick search in wiki revealed this :

"Excess carbohydrates in the body are converted to palmitic acid." Palmitic acid is the first fatty acid produced during fatty acid synthesis and the precursor to longer fatty acids. As a consequence, palmitic acid is a major body component of animals. In humans, one analysis found it to comprise 21–30% (molar) of human depot fat,[12] and it is a major, but highly variable, lipid component of human breast milk.["

Given the amount of palmitic acid in the body including human breast milk and that the way to reduce it being in excess in one's body would appear to be to eat less carbs, I am not sure I see the point of this particular research . I wonder who paid for it.

I am not so sure why isolating palmitic acid found naturally in most thing, actually goes anyway to confirming that a "high fat" diet increases cancer in the circumstances, as opposed to a high carb diet that promotes the conversion of excess carbs into the same stuff within the body.
 
CherryAA said:
I would be interested to see the results if it was high saturated fats only, I;m becoming less and less convinced that somehow non saturated fats are better for you than saturated ones.

I am not a scientist but a quick search in wiki revealed this :

"Excess carbohydrates in the body are converted to palmitic acid." Palmitic acid is the first fatty acid produced during fatty acid synthesis and the precursor to longer fatty acids. As a consequence, palmitic acid is a major body component of animals. In humans, one analysis found it to comprise 21–30% (molar) of human depot fat,[12] and it is a major, but highly variable, lipid component of human breast milk.["

Given the amount of palmitic acid in the body including human breast milk and that the way to reduce it being in excess in one's body would appear to be to eat less carbs, I am not sure I see the point of this particular research . I wonder who paid for it.

I am not so sure why isolating palmitic acid found naturally in most thing, actually goes anyway to confirming that a "high fat" diet increases cancer in the circumstances, as opposed to a high carb diet that promotes the conversion of excess carbs into the same stuff within the body.
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So long as you enjoy it, I wouldn't worry about it then.

I'm taking the line, I'm not a scientist either, but I would assume they are though, and as I don't normally eat saturated fats, or excess carbs, it's simply a bonus for me.

(As to Professor Salvador Aznar Benitah, he was funded for most of his cancer research this decade by the AICR, so probably no bogeyman under the bed for this one either to be fair to him)
 
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douglas99 said:
Far too many things affect overall mortality for it to be a meaningful marker really.
I will be sticking to the mediterranean diet, and avoiding saturated fats for the foreseeable future I think, and will be watching the research on the cancer link.
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One interesting fact I gleaned from "The Big Fat Surprise " Nina Teicholz = (p40) - The original research which started off the Mediterranean diet hypothesis specifically focused on Crete and Corfu -
Crete fit the low saturated fat hypothesis of ancel keys perfectly, Corfu ( similar diet but 3 x the rate of heart disease didn't)

The final report focused on Crete and ignored Corfu.

In order to carry out the research participants actual diet was evaluated on three occasions. In Crete one of those fell during Lent . The Greek Orthodox fast is a strict fast which means abstaining from all foods of animal origin including meat, fish, cheese, eggs and butter . Later studies showed that saturated fats consumption halves during Lent . Later researchers discovered that 60% of the study population was fasting during the study which would therefore fairy seriously understate their saturated fat consumption on average.

So basically the research that began the craze towards a Mediterranean Olive oil based diet, seems to have been seriously flawed , that research was then picked up to create the actual Mediterranean Diet craze which was published in a special supplement of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition funded by the Olive Oil Industry which must have thought it was Christmas when everyone then got on the Olive Oil bandwagon.

The sheer extent to which nutritional research appears to be stacked like a set of flimsy cards, based on proposals by interested parties and adopted without much scientific rigour has quite taken me aback in my research into my condition.

I think for now I will stick to eating the entire piece of whatever meat or fish product including fat or skin, incuding all the offals in my diet, hard fats to cook with, olive oil and nut oils to drizzle over things and abandoning all the other oils entirely .

Its a strange world !
 
douglas99 said:
So long as you enjoy it, I wouldn't worry about it then.

I'm taking the line, I'm not a scientist either, but I would assume they are though, and as I don't normally eat saturated fats, or excess carbs, it's simply a bonus for me.

(As to Professor Salvador Aznar Benitah, he was funded for most of his cancer research this decade by the AICR, so probably no bogeyman under the bed for this one either to be fair to him)
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Whilst I am sure the professor and the charity are acting entirely appropriately, the very fact that these days its actually for all practica purposes to even conduct a study which could look at the difference between a high saturated fat diet and any other is actually considered to be "unethical" because of the unquantified "risk" to the high saturated fat participants despite a complete paucity of actual statistically valid evidence that it is, means that the research needed to confirm that saturated fats are not the problem is unlikely to be done.
 
CherryAA said:
Whilst I am sure the professor and the charity are acting entirely appropriately, the very fact that these days its actually for all practica purposes to even conduct a study which could look at the difference between a high saturated fat diet and any other is actually considered to be "unethical" because of the unquantified "risk" to the high saturated fat participants despite a complete paucity of actual statistically valid evidence that it is, means that the research needed to confirm that saturated fats are not the problem is unlikely to be done.
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This was published this year I believe
http://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h3978
There was a further study done that looked at monosaturates in the same way, and found they were also not associated with increased mortality, similar to the saturates. This second study tried to remove transfats from the equation, but did acknowledge that these were often classed within the same group as monosaturates and hence made them (mono's) seem to be worse that polysaturates, Thus virgin cold pressed olive oil is good, ordinary olive oil is steam extracted and this creates transfats.
 
I did try and read this ! - though its way too technical for me. My general take home was - avoid anything industrially produced which pretty much accords with my strategy !
 
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