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JohnEGreen said:
Just sit there with a smug smile thinking on how all these idiots are poisoning them selves it's how you feel about it if you allow yourself to feel left out or are missing out on something then it will be torture so don't, feel the superiority of the low carber instead.
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No one having pizza on one day is poisoning themselves. There is no need to be smug. In fact I think this sends a dangerous message. Many people can have a pizza every now and then and nothing happens. Everything in life is moderation. Many in life are at the epitome of health without following a no carb diet. Everyone needs to find what works for them, and that is not what is always the majority and not always what the current textbooks say. Read a book from ten years ago and see what it said for diabetes or health or anything else? Calling people who eat pizza idiots is pathetic.

Diet advice changes all the time. We have no right to call people anything when it does so. I've tried no and lo carb for instance. My diabetes nearly killed me. I'm not the 'standard', my betes doesn't work that way. I balance best on carbs. I can eat a huge pizza of cheese and crust and **** and have my bg never change because I've cracked that nugget but I will never understand what my body does at 4am.

Stop judging people. The only diabetic who knows their diabetes is them.
 
JohnEGreen said:
You may not think so but I do. It's all about attitude if you would prefer to sit there and feel deprived then that of course would be your prerogative. carbs = sugar = poison. To ingest a toxic substance is to poison yourself whether "normal" or not.
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John,

To be brutally blunt, you need to get a sense of perspective. We diabetics account for aboat 0.5% of the population; that means 99.5% - statistically everyone! can eat pizza. Why should the massive majority forego pizza just because we find it a challenge?

Shiba.
 
I know where you're coming from Peppergirl. It can be frustrating when everyone around you is tucking in to something that you would love to eat, but you know it would make you feel ill. Especially when there isn't anything on the table you could safely have. I often find myself in the same position. Well done for not giving in though! In the past, when taking my own (sitting in the car. In the dark, in subzero weather, to eat it because they won't allow me to eat my own inside) hasn't been an option, I have been known to eat just the topping or the insides of a sandwich. - Stuck in a concert hall, miles from anywhere after a four day residential course. The only food available -all day - was from a coffee shop/restaurant which refused to make me a salad, as everything on offer was vegetarian, whole grain and organic and wonderfully good for me. I ended up buying two "artisan" cheese rolls and picking the filling out. I'm afraid that just eating it "on one day" wouldn't work at all for me, as the slightest rise in my blood sugar causes me to become so thirsty that no amount of water will quench my thirst enough for me to do my job. But, as others have said, everyone is different. Well done for resisting the pizza!
 
JohnEGreen said:
You may not think so but I do. It's all about attitude if you would prefer to sit there and feel deprived then that of course would be your prerogative. carbs = sugar = poison. To ingest a toxic substance is to poison yourself whether "normal" or not.
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Exactly where does it say that sugar is a toxin that poisons people
 
Pinkorchid said:
Exactly where does it say that sugar is a toxin that poisons people
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It says so in multiple dictionaries.

Here are some dictionary definitions of 'poison'
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/poison
poi·son
(poi′zən)
n.
1. A substance that causes injury, illness, or death, especially by chemical means.
2. Something destructive or fatal.
poison
(ˈpɔɪzən)
n
1. (Medicine) any substance that can impair function, cause structural damage,or otherwise injure the body.
poi•son
(ˈpɔɪ zən)
n.
1. a substance that has an inherent tendency to destroy life or impair health.

(if anyone doubts that sugar can be used to destroy life or impair health, then they need to know that sugar is one of the best preservatives ever known. It is the only preservative used in jam making, and has been used for centuries. Obviously, the amount/proportion of sugar used is important, but then anyone who carb counts knows that already).

and here is a dictionary definition of the word 'toxin' from the same website
tox·in
(tŏk′sĭn)
n.
1. A poisonous substance, especially a protein, that is produced by living cells ororganisms and is capable of causing disease when introduced into the bodytissues but is often also capable of inducing neutralizing antibodies or antitoxins.
2. A poisonous or harmful nonbiological substance, such as a pollutant.

I used to object when people claimed that 'carbs are poison!' I used to flinch and think it was melodramatic and inaccurate.
However, having done this dictionary search, and knowing that we are facing a world epidemic of diabetes (and it isn't just 0.5% of the population who are negatively affected by ingesting modern carb quantities) my views have changed. There are now a quarter to a third of all American adults classed as being pre-diabetic or diabetic, and the 2016 annual figures of diagnosed diabetics in the UK was over 3million https://www.diabetes.org.uk/Professionals/Position-statements-reports/Statistics/

The more people who realise that the modern high carb lifestyle is damaging to their health (the very definition of poison) the better.
 
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Cheers for the replies. The 12 pizzas were scoffed within 10 minutes so no problem in the end. Didn't even want any, genuinely, which must mean low carb is settling on my brain now. Absolutely no cravings for carbs. Only bacon. BTW it does help me to view carbs as poison. I just cannot go back to massive BGS swings and feeling like ****, depressed etc due to poor control and low carb stops all that. It's funny that I've been feeling better for ages now but after moving to tresiba and having morning hypos and a high this morning while I dose adjust, I remembered how bad it felt, just with one high (13.3). If I get a number over 7 these days I am surprised, which is a good thing as I remember a 10 I would have considered good in the bad old days. Persevering with this tresiba though.
 
Pinkorchid said:
Exactly where does it say that sugar is a toxin that poisons people
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The dictionary doesn't:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Sugar

It also doesn't say peanuts are poison - but clearly they would be dangerous for someone with a peanut allergy. We all choose what suits us.

We all make dietary choices, and to label a food 'poison' is hyperbole - and far too simplistic.
 
"The Roman poet and philosopher Titus Lucretius Carus (known as Lucretius) coined the expression in the first century BC, or merely repeated it, his is the oldest known reference: "quod ali cibus est aliis fuat acre venenum" (what is food for one man may be bitter poison to others). "

That's interesting, I wonder to whom or what he was talking about to come up with that saying - probably not diabetes or Pizza related but you never know!?!

And over 2000 years later we're still arguing about it - lol.
 
endocrinegremlin said:
No one having pizza on one day is poisoning themselves. There is no need to be smug. In fact I think this sends a dangerous message. Many people can have a pizza every now and then and nothing happens. Everything in life is moderation. Many in life are at the epitome of health without following a no carb diet. Everyone needs to find what works for them, and that is not what is always the majority and not always what the current textbooks say. Read a book from ten years ago and see what it said for diabetes or health or anything else? Calling people who eat pizza idiots is pathetic.

Diet advice changes all the time. We have no right to call people anything when it does so. I've tried no and lo carb for instance. My diabetes nearly killed me. I'm not the 'standard', my betes doesn't work that way. I balance best on carbs. I can eat a huge pizza of cheese and crust and **** and have my bg never change because I've cracked that nugget but I will never understand what my body does at 4am.

Stop judging people. The only diabetic who knows their diabetes is them.
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Well said and a brilliant post.
My elderly dad, who is 93, has always eaten carbs, but he has never been a big pizza lover, he eats bread, potatoes, cakes, puddings, yogurts, fruit, sweets and biscuits, etc and still very slim too ( he now eats these in the care home) As a family, I would say we all ate a healthy, varied diet. I hope I can live to a ripe old age too :)
 
Robinredbreast said:
Well said and a brilliant post.
My elderly dad, who is 93, has always eaten carbs, but he has never been a big pizza lover, he eats bread, potatoes, cakes, puddings, yogurts, fruit, sweets and biscuits, etc and still very slim too ( he now eats these in the care home) As a family, I would say we all ate a healthy, varied diet. I hope I can live to a ripe old age too :)
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My mum is about the same age, and still going strong, living in her own house still.
She's lived her live starting the day with porridge or cornflakes, always followed by a round of white toast with jam on.
Potatoes with every meal, sticky treacle sponge pudding for afters normally, and sandwiches and kit kats as snacks.
She is losing a bit of weight now, so golden syrup in the porridge now, thick rather than medium toast, and carb heavy complan instead of plain semi skimmed milk at night.

I doubt she would see her way of life as poison.
 
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douglas99 said:
My mum is about the same age, and still going strong, living in her own house still.
She's lived her live starting the day with porridge or cornflakes, always followed by a round of white toast with jam on.
Potatoes with every meal, sticky treacle sponge pudding for afters normally, and sandwiches and kit kats as snacks.
She is losing a bit of weight now, so golden syrup in the porridge now, thick rather than medium toast, and carb heavy complan instead of plain semi skimmed milk at night.

I doubt she would see her way of life as poison.
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Exactly she is still here after a lifetime of eating sugar stuff so it certainly has not poisoned her. May she continue for many more year enjoying the foods she likes.
 
Brunneria said:
It says so in multiple dictionaries.

Here are some dictionary definitions of 'poison'
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/poison
poi·son
(poi′zən)
n.
1. A substance that causes injury, illness, or death, especially by chemical means.
2. Something destructive or fatal.
poison
(ˈpɔɪzən)
n
1. (Medicine) any substance that can impair function, cause structural damage,or otherwise injure the body.
poi•son
(ˈpɔɪ zən)
n.
1. a substance that has an inherent tendency to destroy life or impair health.

(if anyone doubts that sugar can be used to destroy life or impair health, then they need to know that sugar is one of the best preservatives ever known. It is the only preservative used in jam making, and has been used for centuries. Obviously, the amount/proportion of sugar used is important, but then anyone who carb counts knows that already).

and here is a dictionary definition of the word 'toxin' from the same website
tox·in
(tŏk′sĭn)
n.
1. A poisonous substance, especially a protein, that is produced by living cells ororganisms and is capable of causing disease when introduced into the bodytissues but is often also capable of inducing neutralizing antibodies or antitoxins.
2. A poisonous or harmful nonbiological substance, such as a pollutant.

I used to object when people claimed that 'carbs are poison!' I used to flinch and think it was melodramatic and inaccurate.
However, having done this dictionary search, and knowing that we are facing a world epidemic of diabetes (and it isn't just 0.5% of the population who are negatively affected by ingesting modern carb quantities) my views have changed. There are now a quarter to a third of all American adults classed as being pre-diabetic or diabetic, and the 2016 annual figures of diagnosed diabetics in the UK was over 3million https://www.diabetes.org.uk/Professionals/Position-statements-reports/Statistics/

The more people who realise that the modern high carb lifestyle is damaging to their health (the very definition of poison) the better.
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Yes we know the definition of a toxin or poison but it does not actually say sugar is a poison
 
Robinredbreast said:
Well said and a brilliant post.
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.... But it was levied at a diet controlled T2 who doesn't have the "luxury" of bolusing for the Devil's discuss."
"Poison?" I'd say we're lucky to have the "antidote" as T1s then..!

Pinkorchid said:
Yes we know the definition of a toxin or poison but it does not actually say sugar is a poison
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A man drowns under water.. A fish suffocates out of it. ;)
 
Pinkorchid said:
Yes we know the definition of a toxin or poison but it does not actually say sugar is a poison
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The dictionary definitions of poison describe the action of sugar in the bodies of diabetics. Therefore sugar is poisonous to diabetics.

It causes injury, illness and death, by chemical means. It impairs health and function, causes structural damage, injures the body and destroys life. It may happen slowly, and it may be treatable with meds, but without dietary control, or meds, diabetics will in time die from too much sugar.

Just because arsenic isn't fatal in small doses, doesn't stop it from being a poison, does it? Exactly the same with sugar, and any other food or chemical that can kill if ingested in large enough quantities.
 
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Brunneria said:
The dictionary definitions of poison describe the action of sugar in the bodies of diabetics. Therefore sugar is poisonous to diabetics.

It causes injury, illness and death, by chemical means. It impairs health and function, causes structural damage, injures the body and destroys life. It may happen slowly, and it may be treatable with meds, but without dietary control, or meds, diabetics will in time die from too much sugar.

Just because arsenic isn't fatal in small doses, doesn't stop it from being a poison in large doses, does it? Exactly the same with sugar, and any other food or chemical that can kill if ingested in large enough quantities.
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Besides all that. Dominos delivery riders are ruddy dangerous on the roads round my way too!
 
I think we can all agree that anything that any of us chooses to say should be considered our own opinion, and not a decree from Caesar, without us having to actually put the words "in my opinion" in there somewhere.
There are (in my opinion) way more restrictions on someone with T2 who is attempting to maintain control of their sugar level with out the use of insulin, than there are in the diet of someone who is not actually diabetic and can eat anything they choose to. No. Sugar/carbs will not be viewed the same by two random people in a supermarket checkout line, and that's okay. But, thinking of something that makes you, as an individual, ill, and that you need to avoid, as poison, is a very useful psychological tool.
There are as many different ways of controlling diabetes, in all its forms, as there are people with diabetes. I don't think it's fair to rip apart one persons coping strategy, simply because you disagree with something that was said mid-rant.
......... Just in my opinion, of course.
 
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