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Bad broccoli?

BrianTheElder said:
It is a bit disconcerting to see the wide variation. Perhaps it depends how much of the stalk you take into account. I have 2.6g for tenderstem broccoli, which is what we usually eat.
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I only cut the end off and ate most of the stalk.
 
ME_Valentijn said:
As a lifelong hater, all broccoli is bad broccoli as far as I'm concerned, and everyone should always avoid it :D But it shouldn't be capable of raising your blood sugar like that.

You started off fairly high at 9.2 fasting, then went up to 11.7. Is it possible it was just the morning liver dump continuing to dump for a while?

I'd recommend granting the broccoli a reprieve, and maybe giving it a 2nd chance at a different time of day.
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Okay, I'll try broccoli with cod and butter sauce for dinner tomorrow. I like broccoli and Brussels sprouts lol.
 
Swiggy said:
This made me smile Freema, I am definitely not eating too few calories. Yesterday I had an omelette (2 eggs) with cheese and chorizo for breakfast and after 2 hrs level was lower than when I started. I had cottage cheese at around 4pm and then for dinner I sautéed some leeks in butter and added 100g full fat soft cheese and 100g smoked salmon. I have been trying to restrict carbs and was focusing on trying to get my numbers down rather than looking at calories. It doesn't seem to be working so far but it is very early days.
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Ah! Calories and carbs apart, there is a lot of protein there. If we consume more protein than our body requires, some of it is converted to glucose, but this doesn't happen quickly. It can take many hours, even a whole 24 or more. I suggest you maybe cut down on the cheese? I often have salmon at lunch time If I also have cheese with the salmon, and have a fair amount of prtein for dinner, I have higher levels the following day.
 
Kristin251 said:
www.calorieking.com.

It won't copy and paste for some reason.
Subtracting fiber does not work for me. And I too steam mine and I think the softer it is the less fiber and the higher I go. That's just how my body works.
Avocado has loads of fiber and fat so keeps things lower and slower for me.
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That's the issue, I believe. Carbs are measured differently in the US and UK.

In the UK we look at total carbs, as fibre has already been deducted.

I don't count broccoli when calculating my insulin, but I believe 300g would be just over 5g carbs using the UK system.

So everyone is probably right in their own way :)
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Ah! Calories and carbs apart, there is a lot of protein there. If we consume more protein than our body requires, some of it is converted to glucose, but this doesn't happen quickly. It can take many hours, even a whole 24 or more. I suggest you maybe cut down on the cheese? I often have salmon at lunch time If I also have cheese with the salmon, and have a fair amount of prtein for dinner, I have higher levels the following day.
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It is all very new to me. I thought I was pretty clued up about nutrition in a do as I say not as I do sort of way but it appears I am not as good as I thought.
Back to the drawing board. Cut down on the cheese and weigh everything. I will get there.
 
Swiggy said:
It is all very new to me. I thought I was pretty clued up about nutrition in a do as I say not as I do sort of way but it appears I am not as good as I thought.
Back to the drawing board. Cut down on the cheese and weigh everything. I will get there.
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I think we are all very good at the do as I say not as I do sort of way!
 
Swiggy said:
This made me smile Freema, I am definitely not eating too few calories. Yesterday I had an omelette (2 eggs) with cheese and chorizo for breakfast and after 2 hrs level was lower than when I started. I had cottage cheese at around 4pm and then for dinner I sautéed some leeks in butter and added 100g full fat soft cheese and 100g smoked salmon. I have been trying to restrict carbs and was focusing on trying to get my numbers down rather than looking at calories. It doesn't seem to be working so far but it is very early days.
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well that is good. you need about 0.8 grams of protein pro kg bodymas a day , if you eat more it will be transform into glucose by your liver maybe only be showing next day, maybe that is the reason then... most women of around 80 only need like 60 grams of protein a day, unless they do bodybuilding and heavy weight training...

you keep on doing your low carb it will work for you very soon... I am sure, but remember the proteins should be eaten on a daily basis and preferably leveled on more meals...
 
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I'm new to the forum as well as to diabetes. Don't know if I should be replying to individual replies or if I can just say a general thanks for the advice. It feels good knowing that people will take time to point me in the right direction.
 
Freema said:
it cant be the broccoli raising the blood glucose , which is why I point in another direction just as a suggestion.
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For me it most certainly can be the broccoli!!! Sad but true. And it appears with a vlc bf on a different day there was no spike so it could be the broccoli for the OP as well.
 
Kristin251 said:
For me it most certainly can be the broccoli!!! Sad but true. And it appears with a vlc bf on a different day there was no spike so it could be the broccoli for the OP as well.
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okay well you are right of cause if one can handle very very few carbs..... but it would usually level the raise out that the carbs are hidden in a lot of fibres..and also by the very much butter
 
MY mantra is vlc, all from above ground veggies, MODERATE protein and enough fat to satisfy. I don't count count calories but I do count carbs and weigh my protein as protein will raise me. It has a tendency to covert to bs via gluconeogenesis especially in the absense of carbs. It is also best to spread it into three meals rather than eat a lot in one or two. It is also said we can only process 3 oz at a time. I have one oz bf. (and avocado), 2 oz lunch and 3 oz dinner.

Like @Bluetit1802 i will have higher levels the next day if I feast on protein. Lchf is not high protein. I also agree with @Freema and .8g per kg. LEAN body mass. Seemed so measly in the beginning but it worked! Fill in the rest with healthy fats and some veggies

Another thing with the broccoli. It's always best to eat some protein and fat with all carbs, including veggies. They both slow digestion hence slow the spike. Perhaps if you had an egg or sausage and a smaller portion of broccoli you would have seen better numbers.
azure said:
That's the issue, I believe. Carbs are measured differently in the US and UK.

In the UK we look at total carbs, as fibre has already been deducted.

I don't count broccoli when calculating my insulin, but I believe 300g would be just over 5g carbs using the UK system.

So everyone is probably right in their own way :)
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I agree but some of us, especially low carbers can be more sensitive to carbs. Subtracting the carbs in veggies doesn't work for me. A carb is a carb. This could be different for the OP but something to consider. 1 carb raises me about 7 points regardless of fiber. And the fact the OP ate it without any protein and in the morning I'm sure made a difference.
 
Kristin251 said:
MY mantra is vlc, all from above ground veggies, MODERATE protein and enough fat to satisfy. I don't count count calories but I do count carbs and weigh my protein as protein will raise me. It has a tendency to covert to bs via gluconeogenesis especially in the absense of carbs. It is also best to spread it into three meals rather than eat a lot in one or two. It is also said we can only process 3 oz at a time. I have one oz bf. (and avocado), 2 oz lunch and 3 oz dinner.

Like @Bluetit1802 i will have higher levels the next day if I feast on protein. Lchf is not high protein. I also agree with @Freema and .8g per kg. LEAN body mass. Seemed so measly in the beginning but it worked! Fill in the rest with healthy fats and some veggies

Another thing with the broccoli. It's always best to eat some protein and fat with all carbs, including veggies. They both slow digestion hence slow the spike. Perhaps if you had an egg or sausage and a smaller portion of broccoli you would have seen better numbers.


I agree but some of us, especially low carbers can be more sensitive to carbs. Subtracting the carbs in veggies doesn't work for me. A carb is a carb. This could be different for the OP but something to consider. 1 carb raises me about 7 points regardless of fiber. And the fact the OP ate it without any protein and in the morning I'm sure made a difference.
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1 oz can you tell me what that is in grams ?

by the way when one is in constant ketosis one do become more insuline resistant from that...
 
Freema said:
1 oz can you tell me what that is in grams ?

by the way when one is in constant ketosis one do become more insuline resistant from that...
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28.3 grams in an ounce. That conversion I know!!! Lol

I understand about IR resistance and ketosis. This is where my body is happiest. Been there for over 25 years for the most part. The few times I tried to 'eat healthy' and add carbs I was miserable, exhausted, achy and a whole lot of other things not to mention packing on the pounds. I started when Atkins came out and have stayed on the induction since
 
Kristin251 said:
28.3 grams in an ounce. That conversion I know!!! Lol

I understand about IR resistance and ketosis. This is where my body is happiest. Been there for over 25 years for the most part. The few times I tried to 'eat healthy' and add carbs I was miserable, exhausted, achy and a whole lot of other things not to mention packing on the pounds. I started when Atkins came out and have stayed on the induction since
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thank you to me some of the english ways to measure is like a foreign language... but well very good way of leveling the proteins you are suggesting, but then you are eating really a lot of proteins then... ?
 
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Freema said:
thank you to me some of the english ways to measure is like A foreign language... but well very good way of leveling the proteins you are suggesting, but then you are eating really a lot of proteins then... ?
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28.3 is g per oz.
I eat 45 g pure protein. About 40 in animal or fish and the rest in avocado nuts and veg

It's about a can of tuna per day divided into 3 meals or a small chicken breast divided. (5-6oz)

It's impossible for me to convert too. Money is hard!!! Still no clue.
 
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Bluetit1802 said:
The Fat Secret one includes fibre of 2.6g, which you have to deduct, making it around 4g.

And look at the Tesco and Sainsbury variation (links above).

The answer is ... no-one knows! I suspect it all depends on where it is grown and the growing methods.
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The Fat Secret website I use is the UK one and it lists fibre separately, so the 6.64 does not include fibre. As I say, I check all these automatically in my spreadsheet against the declared kcal and if there is a discrepancy, I investigate and check 4 or 5 alternative sources to see the variation. My suspicion is that the florets contain most of the carbs and the stalks very little, so it depends what you buy or how you prepare it.
 
Kristin251 said:
28.3 is g per oz.
I eat 45 g pure protein. About 40 in animal or fish and the rest in avocado nuts and veg

It's about a can of tuna per day divided into 3 meals or a small chicken breast divided. (5-6oz)

It's impossible for me to convert too. Money is hard!!! Still no clue.
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:) okay I just understood it like you ate like 6 oz a day...
 
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